yeah i understand you SilentRage.

ColdSun well maybe i was also thinkin about those PHPNuke sites and so on, but what i really wanted to say is that PHP is somehow an easier way of codin that perl for example, coz as you might know for 2 years there were 1.3 milion hosts that were using PHP, i used javascript a lot, i still do, it's good and will remain so, but php is much better i think. But for my opionin usually to use PHP and databases and so on you need to know MySql too. I never touched that yet either but i'm learning php all the time, i dunno, it just looks easier too me.
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