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#9987 - 05/02/02 10:32 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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where might i be able to get perl or PHP.

i am not sure but perl is for programming in linux commands and shell.
http://www.activestate.com/ http://perl.com http://hackingtruths.box.sk/perl.htm http://perl.com/pub/q/documentation http://www.hotscripts.com/Perl/

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What is PHP, i've never heard of it, lol... im new here i guess.


here is how php.net describes php as:

"What is PHP?
PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language that is especially suited for Web development and can be embedded into HTML. If you are new to PHP and want to get some idea of how it works, try the introductory tutorial. After that, check out the online manual, and the example archive sites and some of the other resources available in the links section."
http://www.php.net http://www.php.net/tut.php http://www.php.net/docs.php http://phpworld.com/ http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/

i am kinda new to programming too. the only thing i know is html, css, java script, and basic.

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#9988 - 05/03/02 01:47 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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Java Script and Basic if known in depth are not bad places to start at all. First off, Basic is in fact a full language. Do you know VB or Qbasic? Qbasic can be found on your windows install disks. just browse them. You can also find a compiler on line for qbasic.

As for java script. It is a decent place to start. It builds good habits, and can give you a general idea on how programing usallyt works. Once you learn one language, the rest are just different commands and different ways of doing the same.

For example, if then statments
do while loops
and on and one.
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#9989 - 05/03/02 02:44 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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i know some basic. i have programmed using g-code which is basically cnc machine stuff. it is mainly canned cylces and geometry but really basic stuff.

i had a vic 20 back in the day and played some with basic then but it didnt really set in i read the manuals and typed in some programs but didnt go too far with it.

thats about all my exposure has been to this stuff.

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#9990 - 05/06/02 11:44 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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I'd have to say that a class is the best way to learn c++, I tried learning on my own.(hehe failed miserably) I picked up a little perl, html, basic on my own. But c++ and java are a little complicated cause they're object oriented. If you can catch on to that though you're all set. To answer your question, I'd start with C basics, then jump into C++.
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#9991 - 05/07/02 04:53 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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C++ is really nothing special. it's not like C is a 85 chevy nova and C++ is brand-new ferrari. The thing about C++ and all OO-languages is that they were created to serve the requirements of huge applications and have 100s of thousands of lines of code. That's the main difference between c and C++. jus look at bugtraq an securityfocus and tell me how many exploits you see written in c++? not very many if any at all. unless you are planning on writing the next Quake engine or making the next microsoft office you don't really need C++ or any other OO-language. stick with C.
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#9992 - 05/07/02 01:54 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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heh, even in C you can write huge programs if you want. It'll just take a highly developed programming method which works quickly for you. Shoot, I've seen huge (even graphical) programs written in nothing but ASM even.
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#9993 - 05/09/02 04:09 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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yeah, I mean if operating systems can be written in C then why bother with C++, how much more "POWER" can you get out of it?
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#9994 - 05/10/02 12:42 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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The vast majority of games, and nearly all high-performance 3D games are programmed in C with bits of assembly thrown in

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#9995 - 05/10/02 02:05 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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yah, in my personal unproffessional opinion, programming in C/ASM is ideal. C is high level enough to make things fast and convenient enough to make the big programs. Then you use ASM to optimize essential parts. IMHO pure ASM programming is not necessary since C compilers do a dmn fine job if you use a good one.
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#9996 - 12/31/02 08:58 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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Linux Backdoors? Trojans for Linux you mean?

Daemons? like MailerDaemon?

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#9997 - 01/02/03 05:22 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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Originally posted by Moffesto:
Hey scallion, where might i be able to get perl or PHP. What is PHP, i've never heard of it, lol... im new here i guess.
You are joking right? As much as we talk about it lately

http://www.php.net
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#9998 - 01/02/03 11:09 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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newb today 'eh?

http://www.php.net/ works, although most of the time if you're looking for a major resource, the address is http://[resource].org/.
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#9999 - 01/10/03 12:28 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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hmm someone answer this = )
I know Qbasic Very well, Learned it 1 year in High School and Currently taking it agian but higher grade level of course
Anyways would Visual Basic be the Next step ???
Or dive into C/C++ ??
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#10000 - 01/10/03 01:10 AM Re: learning to program what language first?
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you might consider visual basic as the next step, however, not visualbasic.net, there would be to many differences
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#10001 - 01/10/03 01:51 PM Re: learning to program what language first?
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so what Program Exactly should i learn in the Ladder ??
I know QBasic pretty good, I know html pretty good

Provide some sites 2 = )

Back what Visiaul Basic u talking about ??
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