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#13235 - 07/31/03 12:20 AM Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 04/23/02
Posts: 212
Loc: Redwood
Hey all,

Me, and two other people are opening up a gaming center soon. As gamers our selves we already have a pretty good idea about what people want but we can never really have to many opinions or ideas.

Gaming PC Specs
Intel 2.4c 800mhz fsb cpu
Kingston 512mb hyperX dual channel memroy (pc3700)
ATI Radeon 9600 pro
black 19" crt monitors
Speakers and headphones if wanted
optical mice, 60gb 8mbcache HD's
Big cumfy chairs

Server specs x2
Dual 1.8amd processors
1gb pc2100 ecc ram
80gb x2 harddrives (raid 0)


Full T1 Line, network compromised of nothing but switches running either 1000mpbs or 100mbps.

We are still compromising a full list of all the games we are going to offer but if anybody has some other suggestions on anything post up. I'de really love to hear all the different opinions and get a better understanding of what different customers want.

thanks

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#13236 - 07/31/03 03:43 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 03/09/02
Posts: 1041
Loc: Canada eh
I think running gigabit ethernet is overkill, and not worth the cost(you seen what gigabit ethernet switches are worth? ). Stick with 100mbit, there's lots of bandwidth to go around.

Infinite

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#13237 - 07/31/03 03:45 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 03/01/02
Posts: 505
Loc: Tartarus
ok, 1 question...
why just PCs ?

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#13238 - 07/31/03 04:16 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Loc: Redwood
Infinite: We got some pretty nice deals on 1000mb switches, the NIC's themselves are dirt cheap, and the cat5 cable is the same price no matter what. All in all in only ended up costing a few dollars more.

Crime: what do you mean just PC's? We do have a 50" hdvt, 2 ps2's, and possibly one or two arcade games (not sure if we got um or not). The main focus is going to be PC gaming though.

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#13239 - 07/31/03 03:53 PM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 10/08/02
Posts: 955
Loc: Merrill, IA, USA
Make sure to keep us filled in on how it goes. I hope to do this if we ever get some retail space.

I would suggest coming up with something for tournaments. Hosting a tournament say ever month or two months. Advertise with flyers @ college campuses, B/N, coffeehouses, other places.

You can get a feel for interested people. Pick a popular game. Have a cheap entry free and a not so bad prize. Ex. give them a little money, hardware and say a bunch of free playing hours at your place.

You can contact related area businesses and see if they will sponsor tournaments. (Sell you the games/hardware at cheaper prices in exchange for being featured in ads about tournament). Helps save alot of money. Some even pay part of advertising costs.

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#13240 - 07/31/03 05:16 PM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Jon: The tournament thing is exactly what we are going to do. Once a week have a tourney and a big one every 3 - 6 months. Prizes will range from video cards, free game time, rice mods for computers. We haven't worked out the exact details about the tournaments like what game each week and so on but the entry fee will be small and and early sing up discount will also be available.

I'll keep ya update.

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#13241 - 08/01/03 02:12 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 03/01/02
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Loc: Tartarus
go with xbox and xbox live or just use gamespy, people like diversity

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#13242 - 08/01/03 04:38 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Loc: Redwood
The ps2's were free.

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#13243 - 08/01/03 06:55 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Loc: Canada eh
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Infinite: We got some pretty nice deals on 1000mb switches, the NIC's themselves are dirt cheap, and the cat5 cable is the same price no matter what. All in all in only ended up costing a few dollars more.
cat5 won't do gigabit ethernet. OK, well it will, but your asking for all kinds of trouble if you do that. cat5e, maybe on a good day. cat6 is the bare minimun I would recommend as a network engineer (so I got one year left in my diploma :p ), I wouldn't use less unless you want to deal with all the phyiscal layer shit that is just no fun.

A small thing, I know, but you should use the right stuff for the job

Infinite

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#13244 - 08/01/03 08:10 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Depending on the game the licensing fees can be large. Just something to keep in mind.
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#13245 - 08/01/03 09:11 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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#13246 - 08/01/03 10:41 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 04/23/02
Posts: 212
Loc: Redwood
Loanbanker - Licensing for all our games is about $5500. If after a month of the center opening we are going to implement another that cost $2000, so it's $7000 for all the games.

Gizmo - The servers are going to run redhat and I know my work computer is at least going to have putty....must...use....vi

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#13247 - 08/01/03 10:42 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 04/23/02
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Loc: Redwood
btw: thanks for all the inpurt

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#13248 - 08/02/03 06:25 AM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 03/03/02
Posts: 574
Loc: us
I'm sure you don't plan to, but don't use Blizzard games. You probably know about their lameass Metallicock-like licensing bullshit.

A local gaming center has free events like showing of movies. Besides the hourly rate, they have all day passes, and a bring your own computer deal.

You definately have to have Half-life (with Counter-Strike mod), BF1942, and UT2K3. These are the top 3 games there and among my gaming peers. I am sure you plan on having them anyway.

I also recommend that star wars game (I don't play it or care about it, but I know several people that do), HL2 when it comes out, and D3 when it comes out.

Sell energy drinks and snacks. UL (the local center) only sells Bawls in the way of energy drinks, I think this is a mistake although they probably get them cheaper because of their contract. Red Bull, Omega , and KMX are good choices to me. (Selling them at a flat 2.25 sounds nice) I think a case of energy drinks, or a variety pack, would make a great prize. About a 50 dollar value, that would easily be covered by the entry fees. Energy mints would be a good seller I think, but of course, not as fast as drinks. X-IT , Warp , and Penguin mints are all good choices (with the exception of Green-T mints by Warp, they are shit.)

They also sell snacks that you can eat at the computer, but you'll get in trouble if you dirty up the place or equipment. You aren't allowed to smoke or bring food in.

Put out ads on local radio stations, especially the college station. And also, until things pick up, have your friends game for free to make it look a little more popular and to keep people from showing up and playing by themselves.

One last thing before I stop overwhelming you with what I would like to see in a gaming center:
Offer maps (for CS and such) that are exclusive to your center. Of course, you wouldn't be able to run them on a server open to internet players or (if people like the maps enough) servers will start popping up with your "exclusive" maps on them. I recently started mapping in CS, it took less than a week to get the hang of Valve Hammer Editor (with the help of tutorials) and make 2 maps that I feel are complete. I don't know about other games, but this seems like a free way to offer something other gaming centers don't have.

Keep us up to date. Give us a website link if you can, or if you don't have a website, maybe someone on this site could design one for you. (for free, don't pay someone 800 dollars for a decent site)

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#13249 - 08/02/03 09:49 PM Re: Opening up a gaming center, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc welcome
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Registered: 04/23/02
Posts: 212
Loc: Redwood
Wow coldsun thanks

Let me try to answer/comment on everything you had to say.

You are soooo correct when it comes to blizzard. It's like $5000 for 3 years + $10 per cd. Since we really wanted some blizzard games (warcraft3/starcraft) we kept at it and found a better deal. $500 for 1 year, 1 game license + the cost of the game. So instead we are going to do two of those through blizzard in order to offer more games. We might get diablo 2 after the initial month of being open as well.

Valve (half life, cs, etc) we got a decent deal with and the licensing automatically gets us HL2 when it comes out (FReeeebbieeee). The cost of the license was almost worth it just for that.

Other games we are planning on having is ut2k3, MOHAAS, Soldier of furtune, BF1942 and more after the first few months of opening.

I never really thought about actual energy drinks, mainly only regular sodas (coke, mnt.dew, etc) but that's a great idea. Once we get our re-sellers permit I'll be looking into how much those things cost (might even just buy um at a store). Good call on the prize giveaway also.

Marketing is going to be our biggest struggle I think. For right now we are getting a "comming soon" banner that we can put up outside the store while we are working on everything, and we are also going to get a "now open" one that we can put up there after we are open. From experience those seem to pull people in well. We are going to try to get air time through radio stations n'stuff but me not knowing where to begin down that road I'm worried we might not get any plugs. Besides those we are planning on having "coupon" ads, like 10 - 20% off if you bring it in or something along those lines and getting ads places in highschool & college newspapers (it's usually free).

I've made ut2k3 maps before, I'll do one after we are open.

I'm working on the web site right now actually. http://www.deliriumgaming.com unfortunatly you can't see anything except for comming soon I'm almost done though, just gotta finish up a few more things and it'll be set to go.

thanks

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