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#15629 - 06/20/02 04:47 AM The name of this forum
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Isn't it an oxymoron?

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#15630 - 06/20/02 03:14 PM Re: The name of this forum
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You laugh, but windows can be just as, if not more, secure than Linux. It all depends on the admin and the precautions he takes. A crappy admin can make either OS insecure, and a good one can make both perfectly secured.
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#15631 - 06/20/02 04:33 PM Re: The name of this forum
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I'm not so sure. I admit I don't have experience with *nix, but I've never been on a windows system I couldn't hack.

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#15632 - 06/20/02 06:48 PM Re: The name of this forum
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Not sure? Well I completely agree with Mornse. Does that help? Or must we start another debate right here and now!
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#15633 - 06/20/02 09:11 PM Re: The name of this forum
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I also agree with Mornse. And I have the sysadmin background to back that up.

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#15634 - 06/20/02 09:34 PM Re: The name of this forum
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Mornse is totally right. As long as the sysadmin keeps up on whats going on on his box, keeps permissions about right, gets security updates every once in awhile, and keeps tabs on his users, then it can be pretty secure. Of course we're talking about NT based, because there is no real security with 3.0-ME.

Linux can be very secure as well, because you can usually see exactly what a program that you run is going to do, the best webserver for linux/unix is MUCH more secure than IIS will ever be, and there are other reasons.

However if you want to talk about secure, it's ALL ABOUT OpenBSD. OpenBSD has got to be one of the most, if not THE mose secure OS there is. Basically, it comes with nothing, so there's nothing to exploit. Just install apache or whatever you're serving, and go.

My Slackware box is pretty secure, except for the fact that I've let users get a little out of control (which will change after this little hacking contest is over) but I only keep 3 ports on my box open...so that cuts down A LOT on what people can do.
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#15635 - 06/21/02 09:11 AM Re: The name of this forum
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Hmm. Let's see you guys make a Windows 95 box as secure as, say, Windows 2000 pro or something.

Oh, and by the way, I like debating! (Not arguing).

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#15636 - 06/21/02 12:04 PM Re: The name of this forum
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router, 2 firewalls, no shares, bewm no one is getting in lol..
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#15637 - 06/21/02 07:06 PM Re: The name of this forum
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oooooooooor, no routers, no firewalls, and no services running...
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#15638 - 06/21/02 09:17 PM Re: The name of this forum
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Yep...see, Windows 95 doesn't have default shares such as NT/2000 does. A default install of Win 95 won't yield much, if anything.

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#15639 - 06/22/02 10:48 AM Re: The name of this forum
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2 firewalls? You mean one on the router?

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#15640 - 06/24/02 06:12 AM Re: The name of this forum
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Oh, and that doesn't prevent local hacking. Against which virtually no W95 system can stand up against!

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#15641 - 06/24/02 07:34 AM Re: The name of this forum
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To secure while off

Novell on top of W95 with booting from disk disabled or even a bios password if you're desperate.

To secure while idle
Screen savers are quite affective...

To secure while active
This security is determined by whatever software you may be running to disable stuff. Also, I've seen NT policy restrictions placed upon Win98, not on 95, but what's stopping ya if you can on 98?

And you said quote: "I've never been on a windows system I couldn't hack."

That must include Win2k and XP as well with all their security restrictions without ANY 3rd party software. I must say, you overestimate yourself.
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#15642 - 06/24/02 02:10 PM Re: The name of this forum
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Hmm. I admit it hasn't been as easy on 2k and I have little experience on XP (especially not a "secure" box). But I didn't say I have experience on every system.
But so far, I've always been able to find a way.

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#15643 - 06/24/02 07:27 PM Re: The name of this forum
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Guarenteed if I wasn't such a lazy ass I could secure up a win box that you couldn't get into paragon.
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