My brother used to have both these programs on our home computor. But that was like 5 years ago and now we all have our own computors.

I think that it would be wise to have these programs but the thing is that you have to pay fot the software. I dont know if it was always like that but I think what he did was get a free trial of both and then use a fake registration to make it a fully registered program

Does anyone know how I could get these programs, like a web site with free downloads or if I do need to do it the way my brother did it can you give me a guide of what I will need to do, with out having to get out my credit card.

Go with Zone Alarm; trust me, it's well worth the price for free upgrades (hell if I had the cash I'd renew my license, but I just renewed UGN Security for 8 more years). BTW, warez here is illegal and unwanted FYI.