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#1752 - 08/01/02 12:00 PM Re: Thoughts
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Well, I'm completely against any form of racism. And when you talk about other races saying how it's all "our" fault. Well, sorry to say, but lot's of it is. For hundreds of years white people enslaved black people, and killed millions of other people, just based on race. And then we complain when they make fun of us a bit on comedy central or have "BET". Well, too bad. Look what white people did to them, and then look what they do to white people, I don't think it even compares. And then some people say, "well we shouldn't even care about the colour of skin, so all your arguments are invalid because they seperate black people from white". Well, take a look at us. We have different cultures. Neither culture is better, but they are different, and so we shouldn't not recognize the differences, we should just not let it affect our views of each other. I don't know if any of what I just said makes sense to people, but it makes sense to me.
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#1753 - 08/01/02 03:16 PM Re: Thoughts
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Originally posted by Curse:
I hate the black people who blame me and my race for all of their problems and who cannot possibly think they can do wrong
My ancestors came from Greece to America about a century ago, so no one can accuse me of being a relative of a slave owner. They could hardley speak English, nevermind own slaves.

As far as the racism issue goes, I have my own theory that may help to eliminate confusion, or may piss a few people off.
There is a white population as a whole, within this population there is an undesirable faction known as white trash. White trash are the bottom of the barrel, the shit left over, the rejects of the general white population. They live in trailor parks, drink warm budweiser, piss in buckets, beat their wives and all that other white-trashy stuff. The same goes with Black people. There is the general Black population. Then there are the niggers, niggers are the black trash if you will. Now where the simpleminded racists of this country go wrong is they see an obnoxious nigger or a peice of stinking white trash a hootin and a hollerin and they think "I fucking hate black people" or "I fucking hate white people". What they really hate Is crack smokin niggers and beer swillin trailer park dwellin white trash. Saying that I hate all Black people or I hate all white people is idiotic, thats hundreds of millions of people who you say are all worthless, and you don't even know all of them. So lets not be so damn vague with our hatred. Dave Chappelle did a stand up a long time ago talking more about racial-profiles etc, and how they're used today.

BTW, my definition of the 'n' word greatly differs from it's original meaning. If you think about it, that word was originated from crazy-ass europeans. I don't care what you say, any one person who thinks they are better than, and can 'own' a certain race, is just fucking dillusional. Without getting too into history, let me say that back when Christopher Columbus was on his voyages this is what people were thinking. "These people are so under-developed we might as well take them from their homes and use them as slaves, at least they'd be serving a purpose." I can't say for sure that's what they were thinking, but it's pretty obvious. They treated the Mexicans like shit, too, according to some arguements out there.

I think it's obvious to tell that I'm against racism. Not just one way,
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I hate the Jews who think everyone owes them something. I hate the Arabs who act like little fucking kids about politics. I hate the Israelis who act like bigger little kids about politics and like to bully the other little Middle Eastern kids
Racism definitly isn't limited to the white-supremicist shit. It's everywhere. Also, it's easy to say that you're not racist if you live in America and you're white, because you are the majority of the population and there's supossed equal opprotunity for everyone.
I think I'll stop before I get myself into trouble. This is a sensitive subject and could go on forever. In my opinion racism will never end, no matter how bad you want it to.
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#1754 - 08/01/02 10:21 PM Re: Thoughts
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Wow, I think that is the first time I've ever been quoted, and deffinatly the first time I've been quoted twice in one post...

And Mornse, you are an inside-out Oreo...

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#1755 - 08/01/02 10:45 PM Re: Thoughts
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lol, not to change the subject... this sounds more offtopic than general.
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#1756 - 09/04/02 04:05 PM Re: Thoughts
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well even though i hate bring up old topics, i got some good points on this one. first off, back when slavery was a big thing in th united states and we had over 200,000 slaves, id like to point out that the majority of these people were sold into slavery by other black people in Africa. very rarly did a bunch of white guys go over to africa, pull out there guns and start shooting. THe slaves became slaves by loosing a war to a neiboring tribe and being enslaved by the other tribe. thus black people were represed by other black people. Another point, when you think of slave owners, you probably see a rich white guy with a whip and a gun riding around on a horse beeting the shit out of any black guy who wasnt picking cotton fast enough. This is aother misconception made by Hollywood and the movie industry. The majority of slave owners worked along side their slaves doing the same back breaking labor and were not even that violent. If you were a somewhat normal person with a couple of slaves, just trying to make a living, would you want to beat the shit out of them? do you think that would make them work harder? of corse not. Life back then was hard for most people, black and white. Im not trying to justify anything, slavery is wrong, but it wasnt as bad as society is lead to believe. another thing, derogatory words are made by the activist. a hundred years ago, 'nigger' simply ment black person. even now, i cant say 'black' the activists who are trying to compensate for probably some other deaper person issue accuse people of being rasist or discriminating agenst some type of people not because they are, but because the liberal activists convince people that they are. Ive had this entire conversation with a real African American, who was born in africa and he agrees with me. note i call him african american because thats what he is, if he was born here then he isnt an african american, he is a black american, damn i gtg or i would keep writing

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#1757 - 09/04/02 04:16 PM Re: Thoughts
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damn, nice information, i didn't know anythign about it. I thought you had to b rich to have slaves... teachers say slaves cost alot and only like 9% people in the time had them and they was rich asses.
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#1758 - 09/04/02 05:18 PM Re: Thoughts
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A bit of a rebuttal... As Moffesto pointed out, it was mostly the rich who could afford slaves. And it was the rich who had many slaves. And it was the rich who had many sons who didn't have to work, and have nothing else to occupy their time but drinking and so-forth. Such things easily lead to abuse of slaves.

Also, I think you underestimate man's predilection towards wickedness. We've got people now who abuse black people. Think about how much worse it was back then when blacks were considered property? Blacks were running away for a reason. It wasn't cake and candy. A beaten slave is an obedient slave. Beatings given as an example for the rest of the slaves... Sure, some treated their slaves properly, but I wouldn't say even 50 percent of slave owners did. To them, a slave was merely a cranky machine which needed kicking every once in awhile to make sure it kept working.

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As for the second point. Yes, there were black people selling black people as slaves. And yes, that was the majority of slaving. However, black tribes would raid other tribes more often cause the slave trade was so profitable. I don't know why you're trying to make white people look better by dealing more guilt upon the blacks.
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#1759 - 09/04/02 08:33 PM Re: Thoughts
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aww.. FUCK NIGGERS!

hahahah jk...

heh anyway... I have no problem with black people because of the color of the their skin.. just the way they act.... but I wouldnt go hating someone for something they couldnt change...

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#1760 - 09/05/02 11:50 AM Re: Thoughts
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there are two kinds of people i hate: people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and... the dutch.

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#1761 - 09/05/02 01:19 PM Re: Thoughts
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moffesto, yes you did have to be rich to have lots of slaves. most people wernt rich. thus most slave owners didnt have many slaves. what your teacher says might be true, might not. dont always trust your teachers. also dont be to convinced by people opinions, look at the facts.

silent rage- your first point is mostly true. but you got to remember that rich people tend to try to protect there investments(slaves are investments). second point- you say i underestimate the wickedness of people? i believe that all people deep down inside are evil little pieces of shit. well maybe not that bad but i know that people as a whole do tend to lean towards the bad side. yes we do have people now who abuse black people. most of these abusers are black. 94 percent of black people murdered in gang related activity are killed by other blacks. thats a statictical fact unlike your bullshit guess, and i quote you, "Sure, some treated their slaves properly, but I wouldn't say even 50 percent of slave owners did". might be true, might not.

last point-yes i know that black tribes would raid other black tribes to make shit load of money in a slave market opened up by white people. Do you think that makes any difference? If they had simply not given in and sold there neibors for a couple bucks, people on this side of the atlantic would realize that they can make more money doing there own damn work because slaves would cost so much, and if they did get a slave they would treat him preaty damn well because he would cost so much more.(btw i only brought up that point because black race activists are always accusing white people of 'repressing their people' so its almost ironic that in reality their people repressed their people) And my responce for your last comment, im not trying to make white people look better im just pointing out that black people are more rasist agenst black people then white people are agenst black people. Look at what happened in Rwanda in 1994. if you have no idea what im talking about, one black tribe whipped another tribe off the face of the earth. total genocide of an entire tribe of black people. over 100,000 people were killed in 100 days. once again, white americans are blamed for this! because we didnt stop the slauter, we are made resoncible for the whole damn thing. not asia, not europe, not south or central america, not austalia, not canida, not black americans, not even other africans. none of them are responcible. just white americans. another reason i brought this up, i hate all the protesters accusing me of being rasist, sexist, homophobic, crule to animals...you get the point. damnit im pissed

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#1762 - 09/05/02 01:26 PM Re: Thoughts
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heh, well i think 'niggers' came from the spanish for black 'negro'. anyway, i hate people who say they arent racists. because we all hate certain people, it may not be entire populations of people, but just certain sects of people. as asteos said, white traish, niggers whatever. but whole populations of people do tend to act the same in some respects. really, ive met very few black people in my school life that arent failing at least one subject. thats a huge percentage, where as white people is more like 50% are failing at least one subject. So, the cultures are different. I dont mean to say that black people are stupid; it just goes to show that they do deserve some of the criticism they get. Its not just 'the man' trying to put them down. Mostly, I guess I just hate whiners. :p

/me braces for the kick we are going to get for wizzy from bringing up an old topic :gasp:

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#1763 - 09/05/02 02:07 PM Re: Thoughts
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A Racist is a person who hates a whole race of people. I do not hate any whole races, I just hate certain stereotypes of people...

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#1764 - 09/05/02 02:24 PM Re: Thoughts
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Registered: 03/04/02
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Another rebuttal for ohfuk

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dont be to convinced by people opinions, look at the facts.
This is a discussion of opinion based upon perceived facts. Believe a teacher, believe me, or believe you. hrm.... Doesn't make much difference.

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rich people tend to try to protect there investments(slaves are investments)
Quite true, quite true. When you beat a slave, can he still work? Absolutely. Also, this will help discourage slaves from rebelling and running away. You failed to get my point on that matter. By beating a slave, you help keep your investments in line and profitability. I agree such beatings are not usually given just cause the owner felt like abusing somebody (though this happened enough times for people to take note), but rather over some slight or sign of rebellion or because they didn't fill the owners expectations and they gave a little encouragement.

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94 percent of black people murdered in gang related activity are killed by other blacks. thats a statictical fact unlike your bullshit guess.
A statistical, obvious, and irrelevent fact. 94 percent of black people murdered in GANG-RELATED activity? lol. I'm not suprised.

My bullshit guesses eh? My bullshit guesses are based upon logic - since there is little that can be said in FACT when everybody who lived back then are DEAD, and there were precious few people going around asking survey's like "Do you abuse your slaves? Why? btw, are you rich?".

LOGIC: They weren't running away by the hundreds cause they were treated well. So they must be running away cause they were treated poorly.

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yes i know that black tribes would raid other black tribes to make shit load of money in a slave market opened up by white people. Do you think that makes any difference?
Not much, this part of the topic annoys me. I don't give a damn what the black people did to each other. White people did the same to each other as well. What was WRONG was that the black people were treated that way due to their 'primitive' culture and obviously different look. Back then things were pretty shitty. What annoys me about the present - to take your side - is that society is a heck of a lot more equalized between whites and blacks, and it seems like blacks are wanting special treatment! What the heck?

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(btw i only brought up that point because black race activists are always accusing white people of 'repressing their people' so its almost ironic that in reality their people repressed their people)
It's not WHAT people are doing to each other. It's the WHY that makes it worse. As said above, it's a irrelevent point. Rather, you should be pointing out how equalized things really are. That just because in a years time, cops have arrested more blacks than whites - doesn't mean blacks are being singled out. It's cause there's simply more black crime. Now THAT CAN be proven in statistics. I'm on your side in this, I just don't like your approach to combat it.

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lol, it's ok man.
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#1765 - 09/05/02 02:57 PM Re: Thoughts
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mostly good points... but no, im not rich compared to other people im my state or county for that matter. i live in one of the richest counties in the country, averave income is somthing like 90,000 per household and my house is less then that and i dont go to a all white school, i go to the most racialy diverse school in my county somthing like 30-35 percent of people in my school are white and most of them piss me off. Good point on my comment on the opinion topic shit. what pisses me off is the people who see something on the news and dont even bother to question it for a second, they instantly agree. they 'know' its the right way to go. its pathetic. good comment on my slave investment ideas although if you fuck someone up too much they arnt going to be able to work half as well although it would scare other slaves into working hard. why is the 94 percent murder stat irrelivent in your eyes? just because its gang related dosnt mean its pointless. i agree with you compleatly with the
quote "society is a heck of a lot more equalized between whites and blacks, and it seems like blacks are wanting special treatment! What the heck?"
thats a large portion of what pisses me off. It appears that you missed Rwanda compleatly, that was possibly my best point.

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#1766 - 09/05/02 03:40 PM Re: Thoughts
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heh heh, I didn't mean are YOU rich. That was part of the sarcastically mentioned survey somebody would have to ask way back when to provide something factual.

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why is the 94 percent murder stat irrelivent in your eyes? just because its gang related dosnt mean its pointless.
oh no no no, I didn't mean it was pointless at all. By irrelevent, I meant it had nothing to do with the current debate. I think your Rwanda point fit under that category - but I can't be sure, cause I know nothing about it. And the reason I think it's irrelevent, cause what black people do to other black people has nothing to do with what white people do to black people and why.

-- wow, am I actually hearing you say I'm right on several points? Open minded, and doesn't let your emotion get in the way of 'listening'. From this point on I like ya. Even if your name is kinda... eclectic.
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