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#19543 - 09/28/02 02:33 PM Re: Html God
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you could say it's hard BackSlash and it really takes lots of time and takes professionality.
but hell yeah i've gotta agree a bit with you guys too, TOOO MUCH of it is a bit annoyin.

Site that use php are drivin me crazy.
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#19544 - 09/28/02 04:52 PM Re: Html God
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What I don't like about flash projects is that when you press 'Back' or if you hit 'Refresh' then the flash starts over. So as long as you don't make the entire site a single flash file that loads other files, then it's ok.

When it comes to php or asp, I don't understand why anybody would care. It's like perl - it works behind the scenes to generate pages.
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#19545 - 09/28/02 05:23 PM Re: Html God
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well i think they care coz it's a bit easier

and one question SilentRage the website url you provided on your profile, i can't open it ?
is it ok or what ?
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#19546 - 09/28/02 06:27 PM Re: Html God
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It's just down right now.

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#19547 - 09/28/02 07:42 PM Re: Html God
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oh ok than pergesu, i just wanted to see SilentRages work if that's his site. He's pretty good and has pretty good and very usefull comments here so i wanted to see him in action too.

Greetz SilentRage

P.S. pergesu, check your PM
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#19548 - 09/28/02 08:37 PM Re: Html God
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What I meant is... I don't see how anybody would care VIEWING sites created with PHP. The opinion about it being easier has to do with designing sites. I was responding to your comment about how "Site that use php are drivin me crazy".

As for my site yeah... my website is down for various reasons. If you wanna view my work, you may still FTP and download stuff.

ftp://serialcoders.sytes.net
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#19549 - 09/28/02 09:24 PM Re: Html God
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maybe he means those phpNuke and postNuke sites. Almost all of them look the same except images and color. There are a few unique designs out there though.

When I think flash is appropriate, is intros (there are some very very cool ones out there, and intros are only to look cool usually) animations that as any other format would be ridiculous size-wise and slow, and maybe other stuff that can only be done in flash, or done well in it. Like mouse overs and stuff. that site xeofreestyle is very leet.

I think i would use flash for header images that just loop around and stuff. but I would never use it for whole site, or even near that. Like SR said, going back and things like that are features people like using, especially me. I wouldn't want to have a design I don't even like using.

recently I gave up asp and started learning php. i never thought about it, but asp is MS only, so nice and cheap (among other things) unix servers aren't gonna support it. php however, is all over the place. so almost any pay host is going to spport php. php has also proved to be really easy to learn, more so than asp. lol, but mySQL is something i haven't even touched yet...php without making use of a databases...so useful.

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#19550 - 09/28/02 10:01 PM Re: Html God
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i would use javascript and or vbscript for mouseovers...
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#19551 - 09/29/02 04:49 AM Re: Html God
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yeah i understand you SilentRage.

ColdSun well maybe i was also thinkin about those PHPNuke sites and so on, but what i really wanted to say is that PHP is somehow an easier way of codin that perl for example, coz as you might know for 2 years there were 1.3 milion hosts that were using PHP, i used javascript a lot, i still do, it's good and will remain so, but php is much better i think. But for my opionin usually to use PHP and databases and so on you need to know MySql too. I never touched that yet either but i'm learning php all the time, i dunno, it just looks easier too me.
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#19552 - 09/29/02 04:20 PM Re: Html God
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PHP will never compare to javascript. They're 2 different animals. One runs on the server and therefor may generate content based upon information stored on the server. Javascript however can make websites more interactive on the CLIENT side.

It would be better to compare PHP with ASP or Perl - for they all serve the same purpose. I personally prefer perl cause it's a full language and therefor the most powerful.
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