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#2662 - 10/28/05 03:46 PM Re: Web office
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Humm, if only we knew javascript lol...

Ya know, i made a big post last night, doesn't seem it stuck though; perhaps i timed out or something...
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#2663 - 10/28/05 11:33 PM Re: Web office
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to begin, there are several great web apps similar to office. i still have yet to see a suite though.

ms is not behind in this technology. i believe they are much closer than we think. sharepoint? shared workspace in outlook?

ms is ahead and safe for a few reasons:

ms has the large chunk of market
there is a learbibg curve to new software, let alone webapps with how they are now.

more popular may be something similar to weboffice on sharepoint server. local to intranet, so not subjected too net downtime. can you imagine losing that much productivity when your inet connection goes down, or worse your weboffice host?

ms can always fall back on their normal office suite too.

i wish there was a market here, but ms will be ready and willing to monopolize it before the tech is tested enough for widescale commercial use.

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#2664 - 10/29/05 03:22 AM Re: Web office
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True, but hey, we could develop it for an enterprise class market for their clients, immagine; a central server for keeping items for all of your employees; possibly build a redundant system that will sync any number of "hubs" nightly (keeping the most recently updated document in each db)...

And best of all, we market it as a "you host" thing, Zend encoded or something; then we're not responsible for hosting lol... Then we could sell keys and have it a "you have so many users" type of option; have it so if user db has more than $keylimit it errors out until rectified...
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#2665 - 10/31/05 07:58 AM Re: Web office
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Originally posted by jonconley:
to begin, there are several great web apps similar to office. i still have yet to see a suite though.

ms is not behind in this technology. i believe they are much closer than we think. sharepoint? shared workspace in outlook?

ms is ahead and safe for a few reasons:

ms has the large chunk of market
there is a learbibg curve to new software, let alone webapps with how they are now.

more popular may be something similar to weboffice on sharepoint server. local to intranet, so not subjected too net downtime. can you imagine losing that much productivity when your inet connection goes down, or worse your weboffice host?

ms can always fall back on their normal office suite too.

i wish there was a market here, but ms will be ready and willing to monopolize it before the tech is tested enough for widescale commercial use.
MS is behind in what I intend to do for a few reasons. #1 there is a movement to get away from MS. Now this may die with the release of long horn but I doubt it. Many of the features people were excited about have been scraped just like last time, or the time before, or the time before that, oh wait that was windows ME. People are tired of the Microsoft song and dance.

Instead of a expensive upgrade every year you pay a minimal monthly fee. Imagine $5 per user for a year. That is $60 verses $380 per machine till next years office is out. Even if it is 2 or 3 years $5 per month is still cost effective.

All files are backward compatable to previous versions with the web suit. Upgrades are transparent to the user. They no longer have to worry about upgrading. We do it on the server and they are on the new version.

Inet connections going down for compaines is not that common these days. Most have a back up line now. I know I deal with them all daya every day.

A customer/busines might have a T-1 to each location via Frame Relay for thier WAN. One of the PVC's(Permanet virtual connections) terminates at an ISP such as VNI(Verizon Network Integration) this puts them on the net. Most additionaly also have ISDN back-ups. Now ISDN is expensive as you are paying per minute, but they are still productive.

Now true TCP/IP is a best effort service. But given time and money we could set up ATM VPI/VCI's to major customers. This is guarenteed service. Even better is SES/TLS fiber connections to thier network with Vlan ID's. This is very secure and reliable. You can get a TLS line now for cheaper than a Frame Relay line.

The fact I plan to use Ajax, DHTML, "javascript", my service will be better than what MS comes out with. Thier bastard js lang is not as far along as javascript. I am not even sure you can use it with ajax. Ajax takes the web app and gives it desktop abilities. Real time page updates without refresh.

It has not been till the last year or 2 that this could be pulled off. But It really can now. The speadsheet with take MUCH creative coding and needs to be on level with the desktop app. This will be most tricky I feel. It can be done in such a way as to be just as good as the desktop app as far as 90% of end users are concerned.

When office 2003 came out MS took a hit because not many upgraded. They could not see the reason to do so. We could make it compatable with MS files as well. I think they use something like MSOXML or MSXML for thier formaiting.
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#2666 - 10/31/05 12:28 PM Re: Web office
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IMHO Office 2003 is just Office XP with a new GUI and Publisher bundled...
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