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#27743 - 04/02/02 05:34 PM ethics of hacking
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ok boys and well, just boys i suppose. i have to write a research paper, and since im such a lazy *** , i choose the topic of 'is there a legal or ethical form of hacking'. and now that i have to do some 'research' for the 'term paper' i need your 'help'. i need more 'primary sources'. so, if you would like to help me out, or have something to say on hacking in general, lets just start a 'conversation' on this so that i can get some 'quotes'.

ok, ill pretend to be a 'cop' and say, "hackin is bad 'mkay?"

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#27744 - 04/02/02 06:03 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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"yes, you're right mr. cop. I think hackers should get the death-sentence. I mean like, they could steal my aol password an like, talk to all my friends and be jerks and like, my friends could get mad at me."

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#27745 - 04/02/02 06:53 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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The whole thing on hacking and Linux for me was because I found someone. I was always curious, but this man taught me. Does the name Eric Raymond ring a bell? I use to email him back and forth. I learned a lot from him, if you need books read his book, "The Cathedral and the Bizzar", sorry trying to spell it. THere is also a book called "The Hacker Ethic", something like that. Hacker's aren't about distruction. It's not stealing either. It's about being curious and exploring. Some of us take passwords, some of us crack Databases, write codes, linux addicts (like me lol, takes place for me being a n00b hacker). It's about knowledge, because it is power. It's not a crime to look is it? If you get into an account and just want to look, it's just exploring. It's like saying I can't look at a hot chick on the beach, it's illegal. We seek information, not harming. I feel there are 3 hacker groups. To tell ya the truth there are many different views on Hacker Ethics. This is mine. I see 3 groups. The White Hackers (as in good), Dark Hackers (the dark side, cracking, crashing, stealing), and the Modern Day Robin Hood (return to the rich give to the poor, help people who he has hacked). What do I like the most? I like the Modern Day Robin Hood. I think if you got into their account tell the user some how. Explain how, how to prevent it, what to fix etc. However one must use caution when doing this. Not everyone is so thankful for your input. Time for dinner, now I gotta go to a meeting... Don't quote the last sentences lol. I'll think of more, btw... When you are done, can you email me a copy. TY
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#27746 - 04/02/02 07:00 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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"We are terrorists in accordance to the terrorism bill that Mr. Bush signed. We're not all bad, just some enjoy doing more mallicious than others. Its like labeling us all evil as opposed to not labeling in real life. Since to us that is all this really is, our life."
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#27747 - 04/02/02 08:17 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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It's not stealing either. It's about being curious and exploring. Some of us take passwords...


I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and respond to the statement quoted above. How is this not stealing?

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#27748 - 04/02/02 08:42 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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actually hackers are homeless faggots that pretend to know how to use a comp!
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#27749 - 04/02/02 10:01 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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can i quote ya on that psychy?

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#27750 - 04/02/02 11:33 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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That is really g00d idea Unreal... Hmm well what am I stealing, if it was to be called stealing? Exactly what is stealing defined as? HAHA! LOL, well I mean let say you got the login and PW to some database, is that stealing a password. You aren't taking it, you are using it. Then you look around. I am not sure if there is a wrong a right answer to this, wow you got me lol. You see why I'm the linux d00d, I am going to uhhh.. I got it, not steal a penguin from a zoo... BARROW!!!! THERE WE GO!
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#27751 - 04/03/02 12:16 AM Re: ethics of hacking
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hold on, stealing is theft of goods or services, hacking a bank and jackin cash would be stealing, hacking a server and using their bandwidth would be questionable, hackin a server and doin anything else wouldn't..
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#27752 - 04/03/02 02:40 AM Re: ethics of hacking
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Ahh there we go... Why thank you great master Gizmo.
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#27753 - 04/03/02 01:57 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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heh, theft talk when i was 11, i think it mainly ****ed me up more than it helped me, i learned easier ways to steal **** lol...
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#27754 - 04/03/02 02:46 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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hehe ethics on hackers well u can find good resources on ask.com regarding that and also textfiles.com
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#27755 - 04/03/02 08:48 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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Do you know the difference between hacking, cracking, and a cyber punk? DUH!
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#27756 - 04/03/02 10:01 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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do you know the difference between lamer, script kiddy, newbie?

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#27757 - 04/03/02 10:40 PM Re: ethics of hacking
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rofl i love these newbies, and since men are from mars, and women are from venus, i take it that the newbie is a bitch due to thier location specification.
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