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#28674 - 01/29/03 01:43 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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C'mon folks, stay with computers and leave this BS behind.
It is the off topic forum. I take that to mean not relating to computers since everything else in here dose.


This post wasn't to start any talk about fighting the system. The system is us. or people we put in charge of the system. I am just wondering if anyone else see's some of the things I am seeing? More and more broken homes, mothers leaving kids for careers, dead beat dads, kids becoming numb at much younger ages than just 10 years ago.

Anyone see this? How many divorced families do you know? How many mothers have to leave their babies at a bay sitter to work? Now I am talking about mothers who want to stay home with their kids. I might catch some flack for this, but in nature that is the normal way right? A mother stays by her babies side to help it develop and nurture it. What are the long term effects of changing some of these natural events?

How hot dose it get in a city during the summer verses a country environment? What effect dose this have on people?

I am not saying to do anything, but just raising some questions. Take a look at growing up today.

1.) You are born to mom (if lucky and dad)

2.) Mom goes back to work after 2 weeks to 6 moths after you are born. You go to a baby sitter

3.) Now we start teaching you about society with all the children television shows you watch at the baby sitters.

4.) You make friends and lose them as kids are pulled out do to their or your parents switch day care or jobs.

5.) Mom and dad get home and are exhausted, you are excited to see them, so you all watch more TV (sound about right?) Why do you think they call it programming?

6.) You start school. Learn to read write and are folded further into the fold we call society. You are taught about sharing, glue paste and how to stand in line. How to stand in the corner. How fighting is bad, how we should feel about things.

7.) You start to learn how to not share. YOu learn about bullies, lies, how to read, and write, math. You learn how to make friends faster. You learn how to pick on other kids. You learn a bit about authority

8.) Move on to middle school and you learn more about self structure. Authority, books, more lines. Less parents, more friends, maybe you have moved once or twice.

9.) High school, now you don't really wana deal with mom and dad as much but they have a little more time. Maybe you have a girlfriend/boyfriend. Little drama in the social life. You start planing your whole life in high school. What you wana become, who your friends will be.

10.) Collage or work.

11.) Start your own family. Some will do this in steps 9 and or 10.


For something we are supposed to be... People spend a lot of time training us how to act. 18 years you have someone teaching you how to fit into scociety. Think about it. All the TV, teachers, babysitters, even parents, all teach you how to blend in. How to not draw attention to yourself.

In public school how many out going girls did you know? I am talking about in class. How many did you know that were not too shy to stand out by volunteering, or answering the oral questions?

How many girls do you know that have been sexually assaulted by the age of 16? 80% of the girls you know have been. 20% of them will be rapped by 18.

How many of them have 2 working parents that are incredibly busy? How much money dose your job alone generate for the company you work for?
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#28675 - 01/29/03 02:37 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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I think the rise in mental illness may be partially due to medical malpractice insurance... If a psycologist exams a person and he doesn't think the person is truely depressed or has a mental issue, and the person turns around and does something anti-social, the psycologist may be sued for everything he owns... So psycologists tend to write alot of prescriptions...

And it seems like public school is the government's way of teaching kids to grow up and conform, they say be yourself, yet they enact dress codes, fail you for political incorrectness, threaten to have you arrested if you hold a protest about a school policy, abuse your Constitutional rights, and so on...
Something else, I was reading a student conduct guide, and one of the things that teachers are required to report to the police is "immorallity"...

People are affraid to stand up to the government anymore, and whenever someone does stand up, they make the person sound like a terrorist or a nazi or communist trader...

People choose to vote by whoever the news media makes sound the best...

Something I was just thinking about... When was the last time someone who was born to a poor lower class working family grew up and became president? And when was the last time a third party canidate was even mentioned by the news?

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#28676 - 01/29/03 05:24 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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hrmm... i don't think we can blame the government for the rise in mental health issues. isn't it funny how people try to blame EVERYTHING on the government? shit.. sometimes we just have to realize that not everything is their fault. seriously.. since humans have existed we have been progressing in every area. it's only natural that the more advanced we become the more fast paced society becomes. it's not the government's doing. i'm sick of these fucking people who bitch and moan about how awful this government is. ya know what? no matter where you go, you're going to fucking bitch about that government. not one government that has ever been created has been perfect. sometimes we just have to suck it up and realize that fact. Hitler was damn close to having the ideal government. And i'm not just saying that because i like the guy. if you actually go back and look, he had some of the most ingenious ideas. he actually did care about his people. (yeah.. laugh if you want to, but it's fucking true!) he took Germany and turned it completely around. he started with a crumbling government and turned it into a functioning one. he fixed the economy. well.. until the allied forces decided it'd be fun to start a war with him. that kinda screwed 'em over. at any rate.. he balanced capitolism and fascism. he had a whole mix of ideals that really can't be put into one category. and that is the closest to a 'perfect' government that you will ever find.

btw: don't bother fucking bitching at me, because you won't change my mind on this fact. plus, i'm probably too damned lazy to check for any replies. oh- and i know some of you are youngens, but still, dont go preaching to me about what you think you know about Hitler. you'd be surprised about the lies have been spread ahhh... US propaganda.. isn't it grand??
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#28677 - 01/29/03 05:32 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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flesh, i can change your mind on issues, look at all the times in the past i have :x... But I have ADD and I don't have my glasses, so I can't really comment on large chunks of words lol...
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#28678 - 01/29/03 06:31 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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Yea, a scarier thought is we are kinda back to royalty. When we are electing certain families over and over again.

Bush
Kenedy
Gore

I saw a movie about 6 months ago called steal this movie. I highly recomend it. It was about a political activist in the 60's and 70's named Abbie Hoffman. The movie title is a spin off of his famous book. Yup, "Steal this book".

He was forced underground for I think 2 decades by the government. He was able to prove they miss used thier power and broke the law to go aftr him. He proved this in a U.S. court of law.

He was allowed to go back to his life. But nothing happend to the people in power. Our generation dosen't seem to have anyone with this kind of conviction to fight for our rights.

Can't same I blame anyone. Look at what happened to Abbie. It only take one person to lead a protest or start a grass roots movement to make change. Sadly that person is usaly destroyed for it, while everyone else gets to move on. Being first is allways punished.


Some info on ole Abbie

http://foia.fbi.gov/hoffsum.htm

http://theaction.com/Abbie/

http://www.teaching.com/earthday97/center/text/webstock19.htm

http://www.connix.com/~harry/hoffman.htm

http://www.quotationspage.com/search.php3?Author=Abbie+Hoffman&file=other

I'm not sure what our generation needs, but it did get screwed along the way.
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#28679 - 01/29/03 01:51 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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remember the political witchhunt they launched against Macarthy? i don't know why they were so damned terrified of communism, but they started going after people and calling them communists, whether they were or not. it's just kind of odd when somebody opposes the person in power, how they all of a sudden are the most horrible person on Earth.
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#28680 - 01/29/03 04:51 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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Yea I read about all of that. It's kinda repeating it's self now. Back then anyone the government wanted to get rid of was marked a red(red = communist).

Now everyone that opposes the government or authority is a terrorist. It is the same propaganda re-spun to fit the day. Just imagine if you were named a terrorist on the news. Many wouldn't even need any proof. You would be marked.

The government has not had this much power since the days of Abbie Hoffman. The reason is they abused it and ruined peoples lives over political gain. Now we are at a new generation and not many remember or care.

As you get older you are less likely to challenge the system. I can't think of a revolution led by anyone in the 30's. It usually starts with collage aged people. So many rights are being trampled right now... I guess we are safer when we are watched. (Jello Biafra line).

Back to the main topic though. The way we live can not be good for the human psychology. If you get a good job you are in a 5 by 5 cubical staring at a screen all day. Even better you can deal with stress so much you get an ulsar.

Anyone the a problem here? It is like every year we give up more and get less back.
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#28681 - 01/29/03 05:09 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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Fleshy, I'm pretty sure McCarthy led the red scare.
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#28682 - 01/29/03 06:22 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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hmm, well all this is very interesting, but the point is, we can't do anything about the way our society is. one person can't make a difference. that's the way society is. now that i'm done with that, Scalli0n who do you think you are? you are the one who sounds like the english teacher. i'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but listen to yourself. leave the grammar to me
the mental illnesses in this country have gone up because they can now be treated. btw, violence has NOT gone up. It's actually gone down, but MEDIA COVERAGE of violence has gone up something like 600%. The number of guns in households has gone up. I agree with you learner that it's shit some guy who smokes pot goes to prison for 5 years and the monster who has raped 10 little girls can't even be convicted because of lack of evidence or they get off on some technicality. that may sound like 'guilty until proven innocent' but that's they way our society is now- adays. I totally don't get why your against bicycle safety. "OMG, I have to wear a helmet so I don't die if I get in a crash! How stupid!" Yes helmets look dumb but they save lives, same with seat belts. These laws may be limiting some freedoms, but I'm sure you wouldn't complain if your child was saved because he/she was mandatorally(made-up word) wearing a helmet. Maybe we should focus more on John "Hitler rules!" Ashcroft who trys to rip apart the Constitution on a regular basis. the fact people are killed because they are different is not something to be proud of. a sign of the advance of human civilization is that we now try to help these people live healthy lives instead of throwing them off a ravine. onto the point about taxes, in case you didn't know, a dollar was worth a lot more on or before 1776 than it is today. simply put, money was worth more. do you have a problem with the price of tea? i don't think a couple dollars is worth bitching about. the enlgish also had a sugar tax. do you have a problem with the price of sugar? what about income tax? it may be high, but its called taxation WITH representation. we know where our tax money goes. the english just took our tax money to line their pockets. our taxes go to government services and projects that help make our lives better in one way or another.
oh yeah, reality shows definetly suck a big one. its called a 'fad.' hopefully...
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#28683 - 01/29/03 06:27 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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Yep.. my bad. had that one switched around in my memory. Damn, been a long time since high school history class! thank you for pointing that out!

He pointed out communists and then took them trial. Most of them were convicted, but a lot of them weren't even communist. Scared people from commiting to the communist party for a long time.
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#28684 - 01/30/03 12:16 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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fleshy: you said that hitler raised the economy? so did stalin, and he was one of the worst leaders ever. he brought Russia from a 3rd world country to 2nd. the economy was booming, and he tried to look after his people too. he was still horrible. hitler was in a way a great leader, but in another he was as bad as stalin, if not worse. he got the economy going, but then used propoganda to raise the moral of his country. he was an amazing speaker and could convine his people of anything. so he made a lot of german citizens very happy, they had money, they knew they had a great leader, and all in all they felt very secure. but then he took away their freedom, and still convinced them it was good. he enslaved most of his country and was still able to keep a good economy and have his people be proud to have him as their leader. when all they knew was what he told them, how could they not be happy? it doesnt mean he was a great guy, or a person to be looked up too. and i have done extensive research on this topic, and not just through resources available in north america. so i've been able to find out which parts america just made up, and what actually happened.

dashocker: (dead kennedy's quote) "All that time spent going to school, just to end up following rules" is that really how you want to live your life? and your children to live theirs? under non-stop oppression? thats how society works, and one person cant make a difference on their own, but it only takes 1 person to gather a large group of people. and if they gather a majority they can make a huge difference. america was created on the basis of freedom, and now its going completely the other way. bush is taking away constitutional rights, taking away things like freedom of thought (bush quote "your either with us, or with the terrorists" which of course leaves us no median to consider both sides), and freedom of speech (with all his terrorist crap hes convinced a lot of america that if someone bad-mouths america they are terrorists and therefore not human). these are just a couple of exmaples of the crap that the gov't does.

and people wonder why we blame the gov't after they shape society, and anyone outside of society is crazy? or are extreme left-wingers and therefore have no sensible thoughts on politics so they should be ignored? this country is under "censorship-rule" (to quote KMFDM), and your damn right i blame the gov't...
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#28685 - 01/30/03 12:55 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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I do not blame the rise in mental illness on the government. I blame it on all of us and our desire to have more now now now. Check it out. Primative man used to be able to sit by them selves for hours and be content.

I get edgy if I wait too long in the drive thru. Think about modern stress. Things that come from only modern things.

Road Rage

Telemarketers calling in the middle of sex (well it pisses me off)

Children expecting more at xmass because if santa loves them he will get thier toys. (This really boomed since the advent of TV)

Less time with your families then you would have had at the same age 30 years ago (reffering to most office type jobs)


Our culture now actualy embraces con-artists. Yes we do. You call them players. Con a girl who loves you out of money or sex. Well sex is cool, but men who mooch off chicks? Yea real cool. Or the lil Kims of the world who basicaly belive prostitution is cool.

I give you sex if you buy me what I want. These are some of the messages children are having pumped into them thru the TV.

We are building a scoceity based on materials and not morals. If you have enough Material you can go around Morals. Just ask OJ.
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#28686 - 01/30/03 11:04 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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windead, you said that bush has taken away our freedom of speach and freedom of thought, and i think thats going a little too far. mainly because i, or anyone, can say whatever the fuck they want on any subject infront of anyone and not actually get prosicuted for it. for example, "I hate America!"...see no ones knocking on my door. and being this discussion is even going on means people can openly talk about there thoughts and fealing on terrorist, anarchy, society, or anything really. now ofcourse the president and the gov't will try to convince us to belive cirtain things that will raise their power and they might try to perswade us that they are the ultimate goodness and we are on the right side, but no one has been prosicuted for what they think.

more evidence to sugest that society is fucking us up-divorce rate is rising(at 51% for young couples), freshman girls at my school want to suck my dick(not at all a bad thing for me, but for society?), there putting shit in the water!, drug use is rising, pcp is gaining popularity again, premarital pregnancy rates are soring, gangs are everywhere, even in the white suburbs, and thats about all i got for now...

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#28687 - 01/30/03 12:57 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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Hitler as bad or worse than Stalin? How? Honestly... tell me how! From all the research I've done on it, Hitler really didn't do anything as awful as Stalin did. Hitler didn't kill nearly as many people as Stalin did. Stalin slayed millions of his own people. Hitler didn't. Stalin was part of the Social Democratic Party. Hitler was involved in the National Socialist Party. Stalin was a communist, Hitler was not. Hitler cared about his people, Stalin didn't.
Hitler was a great leader. He took care of his people, even designed a car that was inexpensive, reliable and fuel efficient so that all of his people could have a car. He had the belief that everyone should have a good mode of transportation. Know what car that was that he came up with? The Volkswagen Beetle. Yep, that's right. Hitler designed the beetle. Hitler also was a huge animal rights activist. He was very much against testing products of any kind on animals. He demanded an end to animal exploitation. Does that sound like a heartless man to you? No. Believe it or not, Hitler was not the devil as many would lead you to believe. He just held some very strong beliefs and stuck to those beliefs. No one can say that Hitler didn't do exactly as he promised the German people he would do. He fixed the economy, created jobs, tried to make things easier for his people. He was a nationalist, and he took care of Germany. He tried desperatly to avoid WWII. He knew that it would only ruin the economy he had built up. He didn't want his people to suffer from that.


so how can you tell me that Hitler was worse than Stalin? Did Hitler go off and start slaying people by the millions? No, he didn't. And no, the whole "jews made into soap" thing is NOT true either. Want to know how many people total he ordered murdered at Auschwitz? 3000. Three thousand people. compared to Stalin's what.. 8 million in Ukraine alone? That's not even counting the rest of the former USSR. that is one state from it. and he slaughtered 8 million. wtf? prove to me how that is worse than Hitler!


one other thing: you sound like you're the kind of leftist that Stalin was! you bitch and moan about how "oppressed" we are? what the fuck are you thinking? honestly! wow.. if we're oppressed here just think how those Russians felt under Stalin. Seriously, if we are so fucking oppressed you wouldn't be able to say what you are saying. we do still have freedom of speech, look at all the demonstrators that are protesting the war. so clearly your thinking here is a bit flawed. I'm so sick of people blaming the government for everything. jesus fucking christ... quit whining like a little bitch. if it really bothers you so much, go DO something about it. really, as much as you liberals hate to hear it, Bush isn't the devil. He may have some fucked up thought processes and some bad foreign policy, but that doesn't make him fucking evil. and as much as you hate to hear this, the government can't be blamed for everything either. as much as you want to blame them for everything, you just can't. who the fuck do you think elected our congressman? who elected the president? the people did. so go fucking blame them for the bad judgement in picking a leader. Don't bitch at him because he got elected. what.. do you expect him to run for president then when he gets elected say, "nahh.. i don't think i'm going to be president because some of my policies aren't that great." no.. of course not. you'd have to be an idiot to expect that to happen. while i don't particularly cheer in favor of this government all the time either, i'm not about to say that they have crushed our freedom to do everything.

ya know, i've been on anti-depressants since i was 11. do i blame the government for that? fuck no! they had nothing to do with me having an anxiety disorder and depression. who do i blame? no one. it's just something that happened. depression runs in my family, it was bound to happen to me. that has nothing to do with the government what so ever. it's all about genetics and health in that department.

now, about the divorce rate and drug use: i doubt that the government is forcing people into divorce. i doubt they are spoon feeding every drug addict their daily dose. is it society as a whole that is to blame? maybe. but really it is the individual person where the blame should come to rest. the little freshmen girls that want to sick ohfuks dick.. blame their parents. if their parents would maybe pay more attention, or talk to them about it or something, these young girls wouldn't feel the need to do that. Parents need to take a lot more accountability for their children's stupid actions. teach your kid some fucking morals and standards. actually pay attention to you fucking kid! set a good example for you kid. try to raise your kid to be a good person. teach you kid to value things such as marraige, sex, and sobriety. above all things, people need to fucking pull their heads out of their asses and stop getting married for the wrong reasons! people need to get some morals and stop adultery. i'm sure that has some negative effects on a marraige. arghhhhhhhh!
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#28688 - 01/31/03 11:06 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us
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OK. Maybe I am crazy here, but if you live in a country and someone like Stalin or Hitler is in power, they can do whatever they want. If they absolve citizens rights to life even, that is their choice. Now to go into other countries and do this, would be wrong. But if I rule say Afghanistan, and feel I would be serving a purpose by easing the country of 90% of the population, that doesn't make me a bad person. Atleast not in my eyes.

Who cares what other countries think? It doesn't matter. Only when I violate the rights of people I do not have power over, should it be considered wrong. And no, there are no god given rights. Maybe you and your little religion believe that, but that is your personal view. If your leader doesn't believe in that, then that opinion is irrelevant.

So Stalin a bad guy? Hitler a bad guy? Saddam a bad guy? No. They just have different views and ways of doing things. If they got into power, then they HAVE THE POWER to do what they want. Survival of the fittest.

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