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#28991 - 08/01/03 02:15 AM Re: I finally got my mac!
loanbanker Offline
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Registered: 03/05/02
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In regards to your environment and what you use a computer for well I don't know ya and don't know exactly what you do. The fact is that no a mac will not fit every persons needs better then a PC. There are avantages to both depending on what your needs are.

My background is strictly PC and I have only recently switched to MAC.

There are Mac servers of course but honestly I know very little about them.

I completely disagree with your statement about PC's being just as good graphically. Of course this is my opinion and we all know about opinions.

SilentRage brings up the best point about software and the PC popularity. Cant disagree there. All I can say is that there is definately a shift in the marketplace and developers are finally understanding that yes OS X is for real and there is a growing customer base. Apps will follow


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Enough outta me guys. Didn't want to start the friggin who knows how old argument of MAC VS PC.

I just took exception to the strong tone and wanted clarity.

This I know for sure. I have had my mac on since day one and have yet to have to reboot. That alone is worth the extra couple of bucks. lol

Im taking the wife and kids out to coffee and hot chocolate so I gotta jam.
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#28992 - 08/01/03 08:28 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
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Registered: 03/14/02
Posts: 1136
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Ah, loanbanker, you've seen the light

I've been usin my Powerbook for a few months now. Greatest technical decision ever, choosing to get an Apple laptop for school rather than a PC based one.

"j00 1053r, m4c5 4r3 ph00r KiDz. ph33r 1iNux!!!" - OS X has a Darwin core, which is an open source collection of system projects. At the very heart of OS X is FreeBSD.

"There's no software for Macs" - Well Microsoft has created an OS X version of Office, and it runs better than the Windows version. When Adobe releases a new version of PhotoShop, where does it go first? Mac. Same thing with Macromedia products. Do a fresh install of Windows, and try playing every audio and video format out there. Can't do it. OS X has everything right in there, with iTunes, QuickTime, and a whole slew of other stuff. And for the developers, OS X comes installed with Perl, Java, C/C++ compilers, and many other development tools.

"Well it sounds cool, but I wanna run a server" - The personal version of OS X comes with Apache, FTP, SSH, and SMB servers built right in. To turn it on, check a box in the preferences. OS X Server is tuned for serving, and has a ton of remote server management tools. The XServe is a regular rack mounted server, that outperforms servers twice its cost.

"Too fuckin expensive" - PowerMac G5: $2999. Comparable PC: $4050

"They're not as fast" - Check out the benchmarks . Let's start with the G5 processor, which is currently at 1 Ghz clock speed. That's the equivalent of about a 2.8 Ghz P4. Now throw two of them in a machine. It's 2.2 times as fast as a 3 Ghz P4. Now make the processor 64 bits. How about 8 gigs of RAM? And a 1 Ghz frontside bus...on each processor. Use the PCI-X slots which run at 133 Mhz instead of 33, increasing the troughput from 266 MB/s to 2 GB/s. Then there's the 8x AGP slot. Oh yeah, FireWire 800, optical digital audio and video, and the bandwidth to transfer 6 gigs of information through memory in one second. Gee, I wish it could compare to a PC :\

They also last longer - my friend's been using the same machine for graphical design for 8 years now. I guarantee your PC will not be able to do that in 8 years.

So Macs run all the software, they run it better and faster, they're more powerful, more stable, last longer, and even cost less. A lot of the challenges against Macs were true 3 to 5 years ago. Now they're just invalid.

#28993 - 08/01/03 08:40 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
superpozition Offline
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Registered: 07/31/03
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Loc: Canada
Ok fine the OS X can run a server only because it is based on a different operating system. And how many big server on the internet today use macs? PC are more powerfull when it comes to really high power computing.
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#28994 - 08/01/03 08:43 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
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Registered: 03/04/02
Posts: 1273
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MAC's don't run all the software. Nobody tried saying there isn't any good software for MAC. There just isn't as much. You go to compusa or bestbuy or something and the whole friggin store is for PC - except for the corner way in the back which has MAC stuff.

this is the kind of stuff I refer to when I say MAC isn't as popular, so therefor I don't touch. I don't want to desire after a game and worry about whether or not there's a MAC release, which many times doesn't exist. Not to mention "pretty" never appealed to me (same reason I don't get XP), and I'm not a video editor.

The purpose of this post is to balance out yours. Yours got a little over fanatical for MAC and I just wanted to point out there ARE disadvantages to going the mac route. There are disadvantages for any OS choice.
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#28995 - 08/01/03 08:46 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
Crime Offline
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Registered: 03/01/02
Posts: 505
Loc: Tartarus
MACs are only good as paperweights....

#28996 - 08/02/03 04:15 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
loanbanker Offline
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Registered: 03/05/02
Posts: 69
Crime, lol at least your consistent.

pergesu I share your enthusiasm. I personally agree that the MAC is quite simply a better product.

SilentRage your ability to play either side of a coin is awesome. Always backed up by facts, clear and to the point.

For me, I have yet to find a single thing I used to do with the PC that I cannot do with my MAC. Whats even better is just how simple they have made it. My wife was up and working with iMovie inside of 15 minutes. 1 hour later she had made her first movie and whammo burned that puppy to DVD. We sent it off to the family and that alone made the up front cost worth it. Just awesome.

Anyways, I'm a switcher and I don't see myself ever comming back to the PC realm (most switchers don't and I see why).

I just found Superpozitions reply a little over the top and wanted to respond. I'm impressed with the reply's.

Crime, like I said before, lol at least your consistent. lol.

Im off to play with dreamweaver. cya.
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#28997 - 08/02/03 05:46 PM Re: I finally got my mac!
sinetific Offline

Registered: 03/02/02
Posts: 815
Loc: Ann Arbor
Everyone knows you can't compare benchmarks between the two systems. It's highly biased at best. I can show you reports saying PC benchmarks are better and show you reports that Apple benchmarks are better.

"Steve Jobs told the excitable audience that the company's new PowerMac G5 systems--due in August--would not just match but surpass the performance of similarly equipped high-end Pentium 4 and XEON-based PCs from companies such as Dell...Sadly, Apple's claims are as questionable as ever...even dual processor G5 machines still don't match the processing power of a single processor Pentium 4 system, contrary to what Apple announced Monday.

Really I don't think you would be able to benchmark it using Adobe Photoshop like a lot of the benchmarks are done, like Perg said, It's written for an Apple. It comes out on Appple first then it's ported to windows.

Now don't get me wrong I am a mac fan, I just feel that all these OS'es have thier place.

Mac: owns in high end multimedia development
PC: owns the home user area (wintendo)
Linux: owns for servers

and they all try to eat into each others markets.

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