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#36791 - 07/03/02 03:50 AM Windows Palladium
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Microsoft gives it's word to come out with an OS that is virus free, with both hardware and software security for authentication and encryption. Does anyone have any idea, what kind of measures we've got to think of because MS is saying it is hacker proof?
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#36792 - 07/03/02 08:26 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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If that's what M$ is claiming, then they're not claiming to make it "hacker proof." I don't think that'll ever happen. Not in my lifetime anyway. There will always be poeple who can get around whatever security measures there are if they are motivated to do so.
As for virus free, I seriously doubt that too. There a number of problems with that. Where are you getting this from?

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#36793 - 07/03/02 08:45 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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I remember something about all the files on the computer would have some kind of authentication signature or something which would make viruses stand out rather obviously to the OS.

by no means are my facts straight - just throwing that out there as a hint of a possible solution to being truly "virus-free"
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#36794 - 07/03/02 09:02 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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Oooohh, that. I heard something about that. I think it's a bad idea what they want to do though. It means everyone who wants to write programs will have to get a signiture. It's too much of a hassle to get all your programs authenticated before they'll run. It seems like a very bad idea.

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#36795 - 07/03/02 01:33 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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Originally posted by Paragon&#10:
Where are you getting this from?
Got it from the UGN Security news section.
Windows Palladium

Maybe this approach will work for major banks and hospitals, but sertainly not for the common user.
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#36796 - 07/03/02 02:28 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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yes, check out the front page. the link to the full article is on there
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#36797 - 07/03/02 06:14 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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My god people read the news? hehe...

The site is: http://www.techtv.com/news/security/story/0,24195,3389326,00.html

its not generally a good idea to link directly to the main page since the news is updated every 10 stories.
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#36798 - 07/03/02 10:04 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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they like the newscaster gizmo......
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#36799 - 07/04/02 10:20 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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Bill Gates has said security is Microsoft's No. 1 priority.
Since when?
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Creators of the company's future operating system took their president and chief software architect seriously.
Really? No-one else is!
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As "Tech Live" reports tonight, Palladium is the code name of Microsoft's new OS, which promises to end viruses, stop spam, thwart key logging, and safeguard your private data.
End viruses, yeah, right. Stop spam?! How do they plan to do that? Who determines what's spam? M$ or the user? If M$, that would piss a lot of people off. If the user, then it's not going to stop spam. Slow it maybe. Thwart keylogging? Maybe. For a short while. Safeguard private data? Right.
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In an interview granted to Newsweek, Microsoft project managers and hardware partners sound giddy with excitement over the new OS.
Nah, they're just jizzing (gizzing ) at the thought of all the money they're going to make with claims like these.
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Because Palladium is such a radical departure from previous Windows operating systems, Microsoft has enlisted processor manufacturers to alter their technical designs. Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) have signed on to produce special security chips that power the new locked-down OS.
So only M$ can get in your computer!
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Data flowing from the processor to the monitor will be encrypted. This foils a practice called "van Eck phreaking" -- highly technical, cloak-and-dagger eavesdropping of computer activity that picks up the electromagnetic radiation emitted by a monitor.
TEMPEST? If people have the ability to use TEMPEST technology (like NSA & stuff), you think a little encryption will stop them? They'll just find a way to modify the technology so that the encryption doesn't matter. I'm sure they already have ways to remotely monitor your screen that can get around this encryption.
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Palladium's hardware and software security innovations center on authentication and encryption: Making sure users are who they say they are and preventing unauthorized code from running on the computer. Palladium prevents malicious worms from running.
And how are we going about getting code authorized? Sounds like a major pain in the ass for programmers other than those at M$.
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Microsoft expects financial institutions, health-care providers, and government agencies to serve as early adopters of the OS.
Ah, their plans for world domination are falling into place!
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As a side benefit for Microsoft and for corporate America, the OS has tight control over copyright media. According to the Newsweek article, Microsoft sees this as a way to bridge the gap between locked-down media and open media. Microsoft doesn't want to stop consumers' fair use of media, such as making backup copies of CDs and transferring songs to an MP3 player, so Palladium will authenticate that you actually bought the music and have a right to rip it for your own use.
And do they think poeple won't bypass this "protection"? I'm sure they'll spend millions on it only to be foiled by something stupid. Just like Sony and that black marker...

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#36800 - 07/04/02 11:16 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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nah, moral of the story - don't upgrade.
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#36801 - 07/04/02 12:13 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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*choff*excuse for policeware*choff*
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#36802 - 07/05/02 01:00 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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i don't think i'm gonna upgrade to it. switch to linux or something. i don't want microsoft watching my every move
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#36803 - 07/05/02 02:43 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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When i get my new hard drive i'm going to be on linux 100% of the time with windows running in a window since i HAVE to have it still but i wont have to worry about it...
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#36804 - 07/05/02 04:17 PM Re: Windows Palladium
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heh this sounds like it would be a fun project for UGN Security to try and crack the sh** outa this thing, whata u tinks [Thumb] us--> [Machine] [Bang] [Sheep] <--palldium
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#36805 - 07/06/02 10:48 AM Re: Windows Palladium
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Originally posted by Gizmo:
When i get my new hard drive i'm going to be on linux 100% of the time with windows running in a window since i HAVE to have it still but i wont have to worry about it...
Windows running in a window?! You can do that?

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