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#3770 - 02/22/04 05:11 AM Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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k++ used to keep track of RIAA IP addresses and had a block built into kazaa lite(k++). Now that that is gone Kazaa seems to not be following in the same steps. I am wondering how hard would it be to come up with thier own addressing scheme for thier network. What I mean is a way to hide IP addresses. Block that info from thier network if you will. I am sure with some creative thinking and wise investment this could be done. The tricky part would be blocking the IP addys from user to user obviously, but I am sure they could make some sort of substetution address and cross refference it to the IP.

If you install thier program, use it to connect to thier network. and connect using thier protocols, why can we not block IP's from being seen?

Another thing I wonder is whay they do not have a special user agreement up. I don't know something like...

This software is not to be used to spy on other network subscribers. This is a private network. You agree by installing this not to sue Sherman networks or it's users for any info found using this software.. If you are found to be spying on any member you will be sued for violating this agreement. 150,000 per offence.

Then sue for each lawsuit filed. Take the money and pay to defend its users who made them rich in the first place. This might sound crazy, but if they do not and the RIAA keeps suing thier companys will not last. The money to defend will not be lost. They will get 150,000 for each case. Probably only have to do it for 500 law suits(one for thier rounds of law suits give or take 100)

The RIAA will realize this is too expensive and have to do something else. Thoughts?
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#3771 - 02/22/04 05:43 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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Im still usin the K++ final, I dont plan on changin period, till kazaa blocks it heh
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#3772 - 02/22/04 11:44 PM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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there's a program called Peer Guardian which does just that. it blocks known IP addy's from the riaa and such.
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#3773 - 02/23/04 12:57 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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Looks interesting... Best way to test it is to ban someone and have them try to connect to you...
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#3774 - 02/23/04 05:31 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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The reason why P2P Networks won't hide your IP is because it will only bring them trouble.

If the P2P Networks will incorporate the technology to hide your IP, I think they will get sued big time by the RIAA and MPAA because this technology will aid the distribution of copyrighted material and protect those who do it. And in this moment they don't really need that kind of attention, since there isn't any final ruling in any of the actions brought by the RIAA and MPAA against Kazaa, Morpheus or Grokster. It is more comfortable for them to let the RIAA and MPAA to sue their users instead of them, at least for now.

The action brought by RIAA and MPAA against Grokster and Streamcast (owner of the Morpheus P2P service) was dismissed, because (as you probably know) the P2P service can not be held responsible for any infringement of copyright performed by their users (verdict was prompted by Sony's success in a similar case in the 1980s). However, MPAA appealed the sentence, because Grokster and Morpheus could incorporate technology to block copyright infringement, something Sony could not have done in the early 1980s.

If RIAA and MPAA will succeed and the P2P networks will have to incorporate the technology necessary to block copyright infringement and the number of users will diminish drastically, I belive P2P Networks will start thinking to block the IPs of the users, in order to increase their numbers. RIAA and MPAA won't be able to sue them again, after all they will have the technology necessary to block copyrighted material, and they won't be able to go after the users since they won't know their IP. And if they say anything against this, the P2P Networks could claim that they are just protecting their users against evil crackers/hackers.

At least this is the way I see it.

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#3775 - 02/23/04 06:21 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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Or the easy part is just not sharing.

If the people want to be hidden, they will call for it....if a majority of ppl leave a p2p service claiming in security, needing to be hidden at the ip level or further, they'll start changing that shit, for a obvious reason.
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#3776 - 02/23/04 11:39 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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Quote:
Originally posted by in_tax:
Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
Yes they should, and the thing they should do is stop exsisting, but we all know this won't happen

Ah well a little boy can have his dreams =)
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#3777 - 02/23/04 04:04 PM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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stop existing? Why?
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#3778 - 02/23/04 07:46 PM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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peer guaidian works pretty well, we tested it on our local network, it does the trick
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#3779 - 03/07/04 02:54 AM Re: Should P2P do more to hide I.P. addresses
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yeah i think P2P programs should do more to protect their users. a lot of people use some type of P2P on a regular basis and it'd sure be nice to have a little more protection. i would hate to get taken to court by the riaa because i was downloading a song. a lot of the shit i download is songs that i already own on cd but a)my cd is scratched and i can't play the song or
b)i'm too lazy to rip the song off the cd and put it on my hard drive.

yeah i should take better care of my cds. all of them are scratched to hell. i own 3 copies of "the downard spiral" by nin, but they are all scratched up. so yeah, i download the songs off kazaa lite so i can at least listen to them.

another reason i download is to hear the other songs on an album before i run out and buy it. sure there may be 1 good song, but damn, if the rest of the album sucks i'm gonna be pissed if i actually buy it. so i pre-view all the songs to see if it's worth paying the $20 for the album. most of the time it's definitely not worth it. so i delete the songs and don't buy the album. i have had a few strokes of good luck though using this method.


at any rate, it'd be really nice to have a little more protection from the riaa. they have gotten out of control IMO. aren't there more important things in the world than kids downloading music? i mean, christ.... maybe they take their time and effort and put it into some worthwhile.. like oh i don't know.. the TERRORISM issue. but no, they must keep the country safe from all of us horrible people downloading music. careful riaa, if you don't stop us all we might end up crashing planes into the twin towers. oh wait...
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