I don't mind immigrants running for president, I mean, it doens't make much of a difference. What I think is stupid is that they don't even have to green cards to get welfare, I mean they're not even here legally, why are we paying them!? The problem with Cali is that so many people are on welfare that they outvote the minority (which happens to be the fuckin' rich white people).

Absolutely true. I just wish they'd stop acting all high and mighty saying that they're doing it to "protect us".

That was so long ago, the only reason it's an issue is because they're lazy. Don't get me wrong, I think any group that had an opportunity to bum money off people would do it, whether they're white, black or mexican.

One last thing, Gizmo, have you ever thought of getting your child (not sure if you have one, or if this is hypothetical) a chastity belt (the chick in Men in Tights wears one)

lol; Yeh I'll agree that it's stupid about letting minors work full time; it's their time; should be their decision.

Agreed about the laziness ...

Actually I have, however it's illegal so not a possiblity.

Wow, anyone else notice how me and Gizmo started out this thread cussing at eachother and it ended up with us agreeing?

ahh shaddap...

Responses to what you wanted done on certain issues Gizmo, seemingly fits well with Libertarian Party's platform

IMMIGRATION
Not to mention the LP's ideas to reform and remove welfare altogether.

TAXES
Privatize and cut taxes, get rid of income tax, stop bailing out industries, replace social security with private investments.


EMPLOYMENT: PRIVACY:

I think Gizmo does agree with most (if not all) ideas in Libertarianism, he just doesn't think that there's any point to voting libertarian because the 1st parties always win.

Some; but if you think about it, every vote counts in the long run; look at how close our last election was... Just a few votes could sway it in either direction... My motto in this reguards: if you know it's going to be close between party 1 and 2, don't vote for party 3; vote for who you feel would make the better of party 1 and 2.

The problem is that there's enough people who /don't/ support parties 1 & 2, but think there's no choice, that a 3rd party could win if people would just try.

No, the problem is that 3rd party canidates are a waste of time and just a bunch of crap. Seriously if some progressive 3rd party canidate actually won the election guess what he could do... jack fucking shit... thats right the 3rd Party President would be powerless cause while you were whining about your loser canidate for President, the House and Senate filled up with Democrates and Republicans, and that's where the real power is, they can just sit there and shoot down everything this President tries to push, unless he wants to be a Veto President, so basically yeah go ahead try, it ain't gonna happen.

Well I think I am going to be voting for a 3rd party canidate. Not because there is one I like, or because I think they will win. Mainly because I think that there needs to be more than 2 partys in the running, because if another party gets a certian percentage of the popular vote than they will get funding and be regonized like the republician and democratic partys. Then maybe we can get someone worth while in office instead of everyone voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

Defcon is right about how the president would have little power, but it's more of a symbol than anything else. We are working on getting Libertarians in the house and senate (at the moment there's only one, and he's running as a *republican*) There are more in state government, but we're working on it..

shinobi is correct, percentages equal more funding and exposure. Now, I can assure you if a third party was elected president (or even local/state as there have been), they deal with democrats/republics and bring issues to the table and solutions that would not otherwise be raised.

Yes Jon, but the problem is that the Republicrats will have the President over a barrel because they still wield the power in the Senate, House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court. They could easily scoff at the President's ideas, override his vetos (which they CAN do)... THe President won't have anyone backing him up. Looking at history we can see that the President's party usually (and I say usually) backed up his decisions and policies in congress. People in this country for the most part DO NOT vote by Canidate, they vote by party, many Republicans voted Bush because they didn't want a Democrat in office, not because they didn't like Gore or were swayed by Bush and his position on issues.

Maybe this is where Castro got it all right, he's the only world leader still in power after decades of defying and thumbing his nose at the US, and his people are actually happy, well those in Havana, but we still have more homeless and poor people, just ours have no where else to go.

I love making debates grind to a screeching halt.

Hey, i closed it twice, it always comes back...