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#4713 - 07/21/04 12:10 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Agreed, if you wheren't born here you don't qualify to run for president, wtf should you be able to drain our economy? They come here for "better chances of making a life", then they sit and drain up public resources because their too fuckin lazy to do anything but have sex and shoot people (I'm mainly talking California; have you ever BEEN to socal? Jesus Christ)...
I don't mind immigrants running for president, I mean, it doens't make much of a difference. What I think is stupid is that they don't even have to green cards to get welfare, I mean they're not even here legally, why are we paying them!? The problem with Cali is that so many people are on welfare that they outvote the minority (which happens to be the fuckin' rich white people).

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I mean no offence here towards you; but if the choice is between a minor who has a place to live and a person on their own, in this economy, the minor can go fuck himself ...
Absolutely true. I just wish they'd stop acting all high and mighty saying that they're doing it to "protect us".

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Couple points: I missed the part where African-Americans decided to come to this country. Oh wait, they didn't...
That was so long ago, the only reason it's an issue is because they're lazy. Don't get me wrong, I think any group that had an opportunity to bum money off people would do it, whether they're white, black or mexican.

One last thing, Gizmo, have you ever thought of getting your child (not sure if you have one, or if this is hypothetical) a chastity belt (the chick in Men in Tights wears one)
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#4714 - 07/21/04 01:47 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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lol; Yeh I'll agree that it's stupid about letting minors work full time; it's their time; should be their decision.

Agreed about the laziness ...

Actually I have, however it's illegal so not a possiblity.
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#4715 - 07/21/04 02:04 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Wow, anyone else notice how me and Gizmo started out this thread cussing at eachother and it ended up with us agreeing?
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#4716 - 07/21/04 02:20 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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ahh shaddap...
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#4717 - 07/21/04 02:53 PM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Responses to what you wanted done on certain issues Gizmo, seemingly fits well with Libertarian Party's platform

IMMIGRATION
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However, the answer to this problem lies not in cutting off immigration, but in cutting the services that immigrants consume. The right to immigrate does not imply a right to welfare -- or any other government service. Moreover, this is not simply a matter of saving tax money. The Libertarian Party believes that most government welfare programs are destructive to the recipients themselves. Thus, immigrants would actually be better off without access to these programs.
Not to mention the LP's ideas to reform and remove welfare altogether.

TAXES
Privatize and cut taxes, get rid of income tax, stop bailing out industries, replace social security with private investments.


EMPLOYMENT:
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# Phase out all direct and indirect subsidies to foreign nations, foreign companies, and foreign citizens.
# Eliminate the double taxation of corporate profits.
# Eliminate regulations and mandates that make companies less competitive and cost jobs.
# Unilaterally end all domestic subsidy programs, trade barriers and tariffs.
# End government economic meddling that results in depressions and recessions that destroy jobs.
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"The individual's right to privacy, property, and right to speak or not to speak should not be infringed by the government. The government should not use electronic or other means of covert surveillance of an individual's actions or private property without the consent of the owner or occupant. ...

We oppose all restrictions and regulations on the private development, sale, and use of encryption technology. We specifically oppose any requirement for disclosure of encryption methods or keys, including the government's proposals for so-called "key escrow" which is truly government access to keys, and any requirement for use of government-specified devices or protocols. We also oppose government classification of civilian research on encryption methods. ...

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#4718 - 07/21/04 07:40 PM Re: who will you vote for ?
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I think Gizmo does agree with most (if not all) ideas in Libertarianism, he just doesn't think that there's any point to voting libertarian because the 1st parties always win.
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#4719 - 07/21/04 07:48 PM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Some; but if you think about it, every vote counts in the long run; look at how close our last election was... Just a few votes could sway it in either direction... My motto in this reguards: if you know it's going to be close between party 1 and 2, don't vote for party 3; vote for who you feel would make the better of party 1 and 2.
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#4720 - 07/21/04 10:52 PM Re: who will you vote for ?
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The problem is that there's enough people who /don't/ support parties 1 & 2, but think there's no choice, that a 3rd party could win if people would just try.
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#4721 - 07/22/04 12:31 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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No, the problem is that 3rd party canidates are a waste of time and just a bunch of crap. Seriously if some progressive 3rd party canidate actually won the election guess what he could do... jack fucking shit... thats right the 3rd Party President would be powerless cause while you were whining about your loser canidate for President, the House and Senate filled up with Democrates and Republicans, and that's where the real power is, they can just sit there and shoot down everything this President tries to push, unless he wants to be a Veto President, so basically yeah go ahead try, it ain't gonna happen.
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#4722 - 07/22/04 02:10 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Well I think I am going to be voting for a 3rd party canidate. Not because there is one I like, or because I think they will win. Mainly because I think that there needs to be more than 2 partys in the running, because if another party gets a certian percentage of the popular vote than they will get funding and be regonized like the republician and democratic partys. Then maybe we can get someone worth while in office instead of everyone voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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#4723 - 07/22/04 05:37 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Defcon is right about how the president would have little power, but it's more of a symbol than anything else. We are working on getting Libertarians in the house and senate (at the moment there's only one, and he's running as a *republican*) There are more in state government, but we're working on it..
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#4724 - 07/22/04 11:35 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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shinobi is correct, percentages equal more funding and exposure. Now, I can assure you if a third party was elected president (or even local/state as there have been), they deal with democrats/republics and bring issues to the table and solutions that would not otherwise be raised.

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#4725 - 07/23/04 03:37 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Yes Jon, but the problem is that the Republicrats will have the President over a barrel because they still wield the power in the Senate, House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court. They could easily scoff at the President's ideas, override his vetos (which they CAN do)... THe President won't have anyone backing him up. Looking at history we can see that the President's party usually (and I say usually) backed up his decisions and policies in congress. People in this country for the most part DO NOT vote by Canidate, they vote by party, many Republicans voted Bush because they didn't want a Democrat in office, not because they didn't like Gore or were swayed by Bush and his position on issues.

Maybe this is where Castro got it all right, he's the only world leader still in power after decades of defying and thumbing his nose at the US, and his people are actually happy, well those in Havana, but we still have more homeless and poor people, just ours have no where else to go.
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#4726 - 07/28/04 06:19 PM Re: who will you vote for ?
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I love making debates grind to a screeching halt.
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#4727 - 07/29/04 02:07 AM Re: who will you vote for ?
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Hey, i closed it twice, it always comes back...
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