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#5329 - 12/18/03 04:12 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Originally posted by fleshwound:
jesus.. do you guys even read anything about this? while i agree that overall the bill isn't the best, but damn, there are some very good things in it. it "would require overtime for workers earning up to $22,100 a year, up from the current ceiling of $8,060." how can you tell me that's a bad thing? it would also "provide modest increases over last year for low-income school districts, AIDS treatment, Head Start, job training and biomedical research at the National Institutes of Health"


and this effecting 8 million people? the Labor Department said the real figure is closer to 644,000. now, that is a huge difference.

"The regulations would not affect workers covered by union contract, but the Labor Department says as many as 22 million jobs may be covered by the new rules. The Bush administration furthermore says the rules will only affect salaried, white-collar office workers who do not perform manual labor"
However Fleshy,
The bill is writen in a way that many tech jobs can be classed into a "white collard position" or management position. Verizon for example has a center in the west where everyone is a manager. Some have people under them and some do not. This means that they can avoid paying overtime to these people.

Of course the bill intends to do good, but as with many poorly writen bills this one is dangerous. This bill was voted down already by Both houses in congress, the bush administration is trying to sneeak it in using less traditional means now.


An example below

http://www.theadvertiser.com/business/html/E8DA9EEF-9871-4AAF-A485-C5EBD8B69624.shtml

Mislowski, a 33-year employee of the Piggly Wiggly supermarket chain, supervises two other workers as the manager of the meat department at a store in Appleton. He earns about $100 in overtime each pay period by working a sixth day every other week.

What makes the debate so confusing for many is that workers like Mislowski are subject to several possible tests under the proposed rule one for white-collar employees making $65,000, another for executives and yet another for administrative workers. Other occupations also have a test for defining a professional. If a worker passes one of the tests, he can be judged to be exempt from overtime.

the above was taken from a random news site.


I am a union worker. I see it like this also. CWA communications workers of america oppose this. Now they get a % of my paycheck every week. If I get overtime, they get a cut. If this bill was for us, CWA would not object. Because I get more money, they get more money.

http://www.cwa-legis-pol.org/

They seem to follow the bills being passed that affect working americans pretty closely here. Of course they are in the buissness of hyping things up and recruiting members so I read other sources too. But this is a good place to see new bills.
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#5330 - 12/18/03 06:48 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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hey sin tax, i wasn't trying to say it's all good. i just had to point out a few things that were not mentioned about the bill. this is taken from that article you posted: "Only about 644,000 workers earning above-average wages would lose overtime pay, while a larger group of 1.3 million low-wage workers earning less than $425 a week would get a new guarantee of overtime eligibility"
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#5331 - 12/23/03 11:54 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I say let him do it. He's just digging his own grave in the next election.

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#5332 - 12/24/03 05:34 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I say let him do it. He's just digging his own grave in the next election.
I agree 100%.
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#5333 - 12/25/03 12:32 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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yeah he's digging grave for not only himself but also america's. bush can go fuck a duck!!!
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#5334 - 12/26/03 12:40 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Originally posted by IceMyst:
bush can go fuck a duck!!!
If he does, then he can be impeached on beastiality charges, and cruelty to animals. <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
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#5335 - 12/26/03 04:19 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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sweet, then he needs to hury up and do so and get the fuck out of office...
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#5336 - 12/27/03 01:04 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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If he gets elected again...I think I am going to move to canada....or switzerland.... Someone is going to nuke us. I don't think most americans or the world can take much more this. can feel the radiation already!!

*sets the door back on his microwave*
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#5337 - 12/27/03 03:00 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Originally posted by Killswitch_J:
Quote:
Originally posted by IceMyst:
bush can go fuck a duck!!!
If he does, then he can be impeached on beastiality charges, and cruelty to animals. <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
ROTFLMAO!
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#5338 - 12/27/03 03:02 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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sweet, then he needs to hury up and do so and get the fuck out of office...
I couldn't agree more.
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#5339 - 12/27/03 07:15 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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i agree shinobi, i think giz and i will have to leave the country too in order to keep UGN Security up and running cause knowing bush if he get's re-elected he might try to change the constitition or make a bill that takes away more of our rights...
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#5340 - 12/28/03 12:51 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Originally posted by IceMyst:
i agree shinobi, i think giz and i will have to leave the country too in order to keep ugn up and running cause knowing bush if he get's re-elected he might try to change the constitition or make a bill that takes away more of our rights...
I could see him do that very thing. Hope you guys don't have to leave the country, cause I really like this baord!
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#5341 - 12/28/03 02:53 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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we'd still run the board... just not in the usa... lol
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#5342 - 12/28/03 04:00 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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you could have infinite run it. He's in canada.
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#5343 - 12/31/03 06:01 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Do you guys really believe this shit you are saying. I have to admit I dont like a lot of things that Bush has done but do you really think that Gore would have been better he is an idiot with a capitol I. Remember he invented the internet. To be honest the only thing I do like Bush is his foreign policy. I say whoever took down those towers or whoever helped them or whoever was cheering in the streets when they fell LINE THIR ASS UP TO GET KICKED. What I really dont like about Bush is his attack on civil liberties but be honest with yourself are the Democrats for more Liberty? Hell no. All I see any government officials do is take away Liberty. The only party that supports more liberty is the Libertarians and they dont stand a chance in hell getting elected because they are not giving handouts to everybody like everybody else. The corporations support the Republicans and labor unions and people wanting handouts support the Democrats. So what the hell its hopeless lets move to South America.

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