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#5407 - 05/19/04 05:22 AM Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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http://www.muchosucko.com/video-letsdothetimewarpagain.html

That is a link to the video of what is supposedly Nicholas Berg, a US man held captive in Iraq.
At the beginning notice the timestamp. 13 something when he introduces himself. Then the time jumps about 10 hours.
It is kind of a long video, but watch closely near the end. Just before the decapitation, notice anything a little odd? The timestamp on the video jumps to 10 hours ahead. After his head is "cut off" it goes back to the normal time.

The question I pose is this: Do you really think that those men decapitated Nicholas? Do you think the video is a fake? If you do think it's fake, do you think it was made by the Al-Qaeda to scare the Americans, or is more of a conspiracy by the Americans to gain support for military action?
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#5408 - 05/19/04 06:10 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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I think finding his body on the side of the road without a head answers your question.

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#5409 - 05/19/04 06:38 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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it's real. See CNN .
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#5410 - 05/20/04 07:00 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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I've read the story at CNN. That doesn't mean that the video is real. I never disputed the fact that they guy is dead. I'm sure they probably did chop his head off, I just don't think the video of them doing it real.
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#5411 - 05/23/04 06:04 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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Well lets see. You are president bush. Your ratings are falling and it is an election year. You need americans behind this war you got them in. You tell your people to creat a situation. They do it. They find some lone america over there and cut his head off. Some higher up says we need more proof to tie it to the terrorist. They doctor a video.


That possible cause for it to be fake. It is realy hard to say because the quality is so bad. Now the zoom when they start to cut the head off is odd. You can't see anything for a few seconds.

Also if you go through frame by frame the guy is sitting still almost the whole time until the reader pulls out the knife. The the victem leans forward 2 times. That is odd since his back is to him.
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#5412 - 05/23/04 07:11 PM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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See that's kind of what I thought. Plus, I just saw a poll on Fox News this morning... it was asking what the bigger issue is, the Iraqi prison abuse or the American being beheaded. 60% said the American. all of a sudden the Iraqi abuse drops to only 8%. Perfect timing huh?

When you watch the video, Nicholas, who understands their language, doesn't even squirm or try to get away. he just sits there all calm and listens to them talk about killing him.

Isn't it odd how he's wearing the same orange jumpsuit that the Iraqi prisoners wore at that prison where they were being abused? And he's sitting in the same white plastic lawn chair that the officers sit in at that prison? He also told his family that he was being held by Americans, not Iraqis. The government told his family that they had no contact with him. It looks as though he's in that prison where the Iraqi people were being held.

Another thing, when he is being "beheaded" his body doesn't go into convulsions. When someone is killed that way, their body would have almost seizure like movements. His is just limp, which leads me to believe that he was already dead when they cut his head off.


But maybe I'm just paranoid.
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#5413 - 05/23/04 07:26 PM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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Anyone got a comparison site with screenshots of the chair in this video and chair at prisons, the jump suits, etc that you made cliams about.

I believe you and it peaks my interest, just want to see for myself w/o watching the video.

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#5414 - 05/24/04 02:48 PM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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Here are the chairs :




and now compare the jumpsuit he was wearing with this one :



It's a conspiracy !

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#5415 - 05/24/04 10:00 PM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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thanks for posting those pics digital geek
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#5416 - 06/01/04 07:03 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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Maybe I am not well informed, but after Sadam was captured the media showed pictures of him being examined. After that the story fell off the face of the earth. True revealinig his location would be a security risk, I could care less where he is being interrogated but it seems odd how hush hush the story has been in the media

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#5417 - 06/01/04 04:49 PM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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perhaps they are hoping we forget that we captured Sadam. otherwise there isn't that great of a reason to keep hunting down those evil terrorists and starting wars in countries that have nothing to do with 9/11.
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#5418 - 06/09/04 09:22 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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I have had many an arguement about this with many an ignorant person.

To me there are too many questions about the video's authenticity. A couple have already been mentioned here so forgive my re-posting:

1. The US army issue prison suit.

2. The chair being identical

3. The fact that nick berg in familiy photo's looks nothing like he does in the video.

4. Why is it the iraqis always manage to pick out a jewish person to execute?

5. What was a radio tech doing wandering around iraq alone?

6. Why would he tell his family he was being held by US forces?

7. What on earth are those time lapses on the video?
-Movie starts at around 13:26:27
-Few seconds later it's 2:18:35
-Next few seconds it's 2:40:xx
-After the speech it becomes 13:45:xx

8. People felt sorry for the iraqi people's torcher in prison, Opps now they don't!

9. Who was it that confirmed nick berg's body had been found? How do we know that nick berg's family aren't in on it too ? how do we know that nick berg is even dead ? How will we ever know? The government has the ability to pull a hood over our heads and we wont even notice.

10. It's all way too convieniently timed.

11. The artery in your neck , when cut , would have bled profousely , there would be blood all over the killers , all over the walls .. .everywhere yet nothing is seen , not even a drop from the supposedly , freshly decapitaed head.

In my opinion , overall , about this whole thing. I believe this to be the work of Mr. Bush. He is capable of unspeakable acts and has proved it time and time again , including the execution of both mentaly retarded people and juviniles.

My thoughts about what really happend ( assuming that nick was really killed ) :
-Bush was begining to be hated by the public of the USA over the mis-treatment of iraqi prisoners. Drastic action had to be taken to divert the US public's attention away from that issue, so , a random american , under arrest in iraq was chosen to be executed by the US military. Only , it had to seem that the iraqi people killed him.. Perhaps in exchange for promised "better treatment" in the prison the iraq people agreed to cut of the head from nick berg's body. However , they refused to cut of the head from a living person so , before the decapitation nick berg was poisoned in some way and killed, I say poisoned because there is no evidence of gunshots on his body during the decapitation. Before all this , an interview video was probably given with several people in the prison where they were asked to state names , reletives ect. Explanation of time lapses :

-Movie starts at around 13:26:27
Nick berg is giving his statement about his family to US officers behind a camera.

-Few seconds later it's 2:18:35
The part of the speech is a patch together job taken from perhaps a day or 2 ago.

-Next few seconds it's 2:40:xx
The iraqis giving the speech

-After the speech it becomes 13:45:xx
We need to move this back up with the first entry. After his speech he was then shot or poisoned by US forces. This leaves a 20 minuet gap for him to die in , his heart would have stopped long before this and blood preassure would have lowered considerably thus stopping the bleeding. Either that or his neck was already cut when the decapitation began, blood drained and then handed to the volanteer iraqis for beheading.

The video was patched together in some half assed hurried attempt and put onto a web site which was coviently the name of the suspect in the beheading.com ... the site remains open for 90 minuets whilst UK and US television studios get the video , and predictably a few other known websites also aquire the movie. After that 90 minuets the website is shut down and nobody can find a trace of the original source.

There ya go bush ! you spread the word !

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#5419 - 06/09/04 09:54 AM Re: Decapitation Video: Real or not?
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another view of the chair against a yellow wall ... as seen in the video of the decapitation.

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