dun dun dun... perg is angry! perhaps he'll make the face for me! even though it's not an angry face... just haven't seen it for awhile.


yeah.. i know i was generalizing about hippies. just cuz i don't like them. we can stop talking about them now though.

Agreed Fleshwound.

Nah, not angry at all. That's just a dumb thing to say, that's all

Again, if you would care to read any books actually written by the people who came up with the idea, you will learn that Stalinism is a total and complete corruption of communism. And if the Russians didn't like communism, even the perverted form, then why do over ninety percent of Russians say they wish for a return to the Soviet Union? And again if you knew what you were talking about you would know China's leaders sold themselves over to capitalism. Communism has saved the lives of millions around the world and made lives better for people in every country around the world in which even its perverted forms have been implemented. Look at Guatemala and see what unrestrained capitalism brings, or just look at the great depression. As for keeping what you earn, true communism gives you everything you need, while the vast majority of wealth and property are owned by a few people who do no real work. Sitting at a desk and meeting other rich people to congratulate each other for oppressing the poor masses around the globe. Those who actually make the products or perform the service are totally and completely dicked over.

Excuse my error, it sould read: while in capitalism the vast majority of wealth and property are owned by a few people who do no real work.

I hope you're not talking to me in those rebuttals. Because if you'll look back, I didn't discuss the problems or merits in communism or capitalism. I said that your statement, "Communism and socialism are purely democratic" was ridiculous.

I was addressing you, and you were discussing the merits and problems of communism or capitalism in your statement.

the idea of communism may be a decent one in the fact that everyone would be "equal". but you take the ideals of communism and put it into action in the real world and it just doesn't work. communism has NEVER been a successful form of government. look back through history. it hasn't not worked once.

communism allows for way too much corruption. the government officials have no one to answer too. just look to Russia since you mentioned it. there is so much organized crime there it's absurd. the mafia was pretty much running the show. while they still have huge ties to the government officials, it is not nearly as bad as it was under the communist form.

In total agreement Fleshwound.

truthspreader, I'd like to point that I didn't even make an argument on the subject. I just said that your statement was pretty stupid. So feel free to tell everybody whatever the hell you want, but don't give me any petty lectures on this bullshit, because frankly I don't give a fuck.

By saying it was stupid you are making an argument. And if you don't give a fuck, why start the topic? The Mafia is a new thing in Russia. It did exist under communism but was hunted and left in the shadows. Now eighty percent of all Russian businesses pay 'protection' money to them. Yeltsin's shock therapy cut the legs out of the Russian economy. Their standard of living has fallen by more than half. And as I said earlier, Soviet 'communism' was Stalinism, not what communism really is. And no totalitarian system will last as long as the people know they don't have political freedom. America is different, they are a secret police state. And its people seem pretty dilusional about it.

um.. the mafia being a new thing Russia? if by "new" you mean "been around for at least 60 to 70 years" then yeah.. i guess it would be "new".

I started the topic because there was another thread in this forum about something completely different, and after a while, it led to people arguing about how communism sucks. So I created a new thread specifically for that. It's within my job context as a global moderator to ensure that threads stay reasonably on topic, and make accomodations for however they may branch out. I don't give a fuck about this subject.

I ment mafia control. I said they had existed before then.

but the mafia in Russia has been running the show for over 50 years. they are involved in everything over there.