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#8540 - 12/18/03 03:32 PM What kind of board is this realy!!?????
AlexNewbiePhreaker/Hacker Offline
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I was pointed to this board at some stage of my infoseeking, about "HACKING", but as i read on, it seems this board has a weird filosofi.
This is no insult of any kind to the makers of this board, but i wonder.

is this all about hacking, or computers in general. and i managed to post a reply where i refered to a site dealing with warez, that was my mistake, cus moments later i got a message from a administrator or whatever that they don`t relate to warez here.
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I dont get it, you discus hacking, port scanning, and telnet and other stuff wich is used in ilegal computer shit.
i guess aproximetly 80-90% of the individuals reading and posting on this board does so to learn how to hack unaouthorized into anothers computer or hotmail account.

But my little reply on warez was totaly unaxeptible.
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Forgive me for spelling errors or other shit you don`t like on my post.
i am norwegian you see.
but if you got a sensible reply on your mind plz reply here.
and if you want to flame me or something plz don`t bother to reply at all, it a waste of time isn`t it??
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#8541 - 12/18/03 04:02 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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Warez is illegal, in the same sense so is hacking. We are kept online by a very thin thread, as you see our site deals with a little of everything, most questionable.

Where we do discuss pretty much everything, there are certain things that we will not tollerate, one being warez.

If we get shut down it will be due to that one that we let by, so we're a little stern with every one of our rules.

Exploiting hotmails code is idiotic, it's kind of like saying "hey man, i want to fuck your sister, can you hook me up?"...

Warez is illegal, linking to warez is just as bad as hosting it. If we host warez our site will be terminated. Theres your logic.

And flames make you smarter, and give you ground to learn what not to do. It's posts like this that are the waste of time.
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#8542 - 12/18/03 04:43 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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Exploiting hotmails code is idiotic, it's kind of like saying "hey man, i want to fuck your sister, can you hook me up?"...
I thought you were married but okay I will talk to her.
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#8543 - 12/18/03 04:45 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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#8544 - 12/18/03 05:51 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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I dont get it, you discus hacking, port scanning, and telnet and other stuff wich is used in ilegal computer shit.
We discuss differnt ways to hack, which is not illegal. Port Scanning as well is, not illegal, and why would telnet be illegal?

As I and many many many other people have said before. Hacking is not doing illegal activity such as gaining unauthorized access to remote systems. As much as I hate to tell you, you proably won't learn to hack here, and it sure won't be overnight. What we WILL do, is point you in the direction that you will need to go to learn for yourself, and help you if you are stuck, exhausted ALL your own resouces, and can't think of anything else. Then almost everyone would be more than happy to help you.

The reason why we don't post illegal things here, this site is running the risk of being shut down. So I hope that helped you out a little, I know I got a little off topic. I've been seeming to do that lately.
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#8545 - 12/18/03 06:23 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
Ice Offline
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I dont get it, you discus hacking, port scanning, and telnet and other stuff wich is used in ilegal computer shit.
Like Shinobi said above, none of these things are illegal. How do you figure they are illegal ???

And Hacking is a state if mind, Hacking cab be MANY things, not just breaking into a computer system.

Lets say you tricked someone to giving you $10 extra. Thats Hacking. Lets say you found a way to get in the movies for free, thats hacking also. You finding holes in the system and are exploiting them.

You can't learn hacking. You must know a vast amount of information on technology, you must know the in's and out's of a OS. You cant just click couple of buttons and your done.... You need to know a lot of things before you start hacking.

Papers, Links, can only help teach you the topic, you need to use your own logic, programming skills, or whatever needs to be used to start hacking.

If your learning Hacking just to get some free porn, free movies, or hotmail accounts, i really dont think u should be learning about hacking.

Sorry for the spelling mistakes = (
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#8546 - 12/19/03 01:20 AM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
AlexNewbiePhreaker/Hacker Offline
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Oh i know telnet is not ilegal, but you can use it in the prosess of an ilegal action.
like hacking in an ilegal sort of way, but don`t get me wrong her people i for one knows that hacking is about so much more but plz "Hacking is a state if mind". plz don`t give me that man what the #### do you mean. what does computer hardware, software, programing and so on got to do with the mind, it`s all mostly fysical shit.

and i don`t see why the warez sites is not shut down if they are ilegal??? they are all out there for all to see, they don`t hide, and the site i for one managed to mention in a post, is by the way not ilegal, they only give out links, to shit.

And Ice you don`t #### know me i couldn`t care less for free porn, and hotmail accounts are free by the way, as far as i know!!!.
and i think all agree that bying a movie, seeing it once (it might even suck major) and trowing it away, is a waste of money, i still bye the movies i realy know i will like.

I don`t know what goes on in your mind ice, sorry for saying this but it has to come, tricking someone for his 10 dollar bill, is a scam, fraud, stealing or lying. not hacking.
you can only hack with a computer and an internett conection.
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#8547 - 12/19/03 03:57 AM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
Ice Offline
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but plz "Hacking is a state if mind". plz don`t give me that man what the #### do you mean. what does computer hardware, software, programing and so on got to do with the mind, it`s all mostly fysical shit.
OKay, if you dont have any Computer Logic in your head, your not getting far. You think knowing some tricks will get you into a system. You need computer logic in Cracking. Your not going to learn this in some txt's and posts, you need to develope this yourself.

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and i don`t see why the warez sites is not shut down if they are ilegal??? they are all out there for all to see, they don`t hide, and the site i for one managed to mention in a post, is by the way not ilegal, they only give out links, to shit.
Good Warez site move every day, to every hour and switch dns names everyday. I am not talking about the little Dnet or what ever network its on, channel on irc. People do get arrested for warez, ip's are loged everywhere you download warez.

There was a group of guys that got arrested and jailed for warez. Forgot the name of it, a member here "Mustard" told me about it.

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and i think all agree that bying a movie, seeing it once (it might even suck major) and trowing it away, is a waste of money, i still bye the movies i realy know i will like.
Agreed on that statement.

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And Ice you don`t #### know me i couldn`t care less for free porn, and hotmail accounts are free by the way, as far as i know!!!.
Seems like you dont want to be a hacker, you want to be a cracker.

Heres are the Definitions.

Hacker:

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A slang term for a computer enthusiast. Among professional programmers, the term hacker implies an amateur or a programmer who lacks formal training. Depending on how it used, the term can be either complimentary or derogatory, although it is developing an increasingly derogatory connotation. The pejorative sense of hacker is becoming more prominent largely because the popular press has co-opted the term to refer to individuals who gain unauthorised access to computer systems for the purpose of stealing and corrupting data. Hackers, themselves, maintain that the proper term for such individuals is cracker.
Cracker:

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A cracker is an individual who attempts to access computer systems without authorization. These people are often malicious, as opposed to hackers, and have many means at their disposal for breaking into a system.
You see the diffrence... ???

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And Ice you don`t #### know me i couldn`t care less for free porn, and hotmail accounts are free by the way, as far as i know!!!.
Okay, my appology. But let me ask you this

Why are you learning Cracking... Why do you need to go into a another system and steal something from hard working people.. ??

We here on the forums do it because we love learning about tecnology

Know you tell me why you are here

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OH my god Shinobi. You gotta write more that was the exact fucking thing that has always gotten to me. You don't hack to be cool, you don't hack to make friends. You "hack" to discover new things and enlighten yourself. You "hack" to gain information and informaiton that helps you overcome challenges. You don't watch Hackers or War Games (good movies, though) and say "Man, I think I want to learn how to hack a Gibson, did you see how that guy got caught by the Feds? kewl".
Thats what hacking is

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you can only hack with a computer and an internett conection.
Ohh my friend, you are mistaken in many ways.
You should hang around more communites and learn what hacking truely is.

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tricking someone for his 10 dollar bill, is a scam, fraud, stealing or lying. not hacking.
Agreed thats is sorta scamming, but you use a skill called Social Engineering. Social Engineering plays a big part in hacking.

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Hacking might be characterized as `an appropriate application of ingenuity'. Whether the result is a quick-and-dirty patchwork job or a carefully crafted work of art, you have to admire the cleverness that went into it.
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Look at this Link:

http://www.ehsecurity.com/files/library/ethics/the_ethics_of_hacking.htm
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#8548 - 12/19/03 02:57 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
AlexNewbiePhreaker/Hacker Offline
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Registered: 12/12/03
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Loc: Norway
well i see what you mean, i touch it a little and trowed it away!!!.
Im sorry but i couldn`t agree less with some of what your saying.

But im not into ilegal shit, i just want`t to know how to hack, and even try it out sometime on an authorized sort of way.

And i think you blow the hole hacking ting out of porportion. Think a little....., it`s just hacking, not a religion, it`s just a thing you do.

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Agreed thats is sorta scamming, but you use a skill called Social Engineering. Social Engineering plays a big part in hacking.
Thats right sosial engineering plays a big part in hacking, but that statement is just stupid it`s like saying typing is hacking, cus the hacker types when hes hacking.
So you should get your shit straight.

I belive all the people on this site braging about not being newbie, even flaming newbies all day long is breaking a lot of the hacker ethics, cus hackers don`t talk about what they do, they hold it for them self, but you people sitt here 24/7 discusing it with all the folks around the globe.

If your so good hacker the lot of you, why the hell do you sitt on this board all day, go and hack something or program something read a book, whatever, when or if i become a hacker, i whouldn`t care less about some stupid board.
I whould explore the world of computers and other hacking related shit.
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I take pride in being a newbie cus i already know the facts that it`s not about being a little shit head who brags to all his friends about fucking up a random guy`s hotmail account and hacking into someones system and do worthless shit that does no good.
It`s all about info and i wanna be in on it, i wanna learn.

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#8549 - 12/19/03 03:43 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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Who sais any of us are hackers... I just run a security news site... Read the name...
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#8550 - 12/20/03 12:05 AM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
dashocker Offline
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Posts: 524
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No one here has ever talked about anything relating to a particular exploit or hole they might have found...except one time like 2 years ago...and everyone here claims to be a newbie...except for paradox (who eats n00bs for lunch ). I got some reading for you since you are so rapped up in what hacking is about (I think it's about whatever you want, so don't ask me):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...nce&s=books

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#8551 - 12/21/03 07:30 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 38
Loc: canada
About hacking, can't a burger flipper become a burger hacker if has advanced knowledge of physic and how the buger is going to fall off the flipper when he tilts the grease coated surface to allow the burger to flip and not just fall on it's side? Wouldn't it be the same to say a master chef is a hacker of food, knowing how all ingredients taste when combined and how to achieve a certain taste. Couldn't a mechanic be a hacker if he knew the physics of how a car worked, and was able to create parts, rebuild anything. Or is it safe to say that the term hacker is something that has only come into the dictionary in the comuter age? I like computers, my only talent is computers. if I want to be able to have the "good life" don't I need to be a "hacker" of my field, computers? I don't really care about getting access to MS's site, I don't care about who owes the IRS what. All I care about is computers, technology, 1's and 0's...and the ocasional "sin tax". I guess I'll call it a day, I'm going to be sitting for 5 hours in a car and ym computer chair is one of thes metal foldable ones, although slightly thicker :p , bam-bam biggalo uses to smash the hulk with...wcw, back in the day.

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#8552 - 12/21/03 10:11 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
Ice Offline
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Very well said acid45
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#8553 - 12/22/03 04:40 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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ok guys, heres my two cents... first of all, a hacker is someone that smokes:) and a cracker is a white person:)

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#8554 - 12/22/03 11:22 PM Re: What kind of board is this realy!!?????
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Originally posted by shelli:
ok guys, heres my two cents... first of all, a hacker is someone that smokes:) and a cracker is a white person:)
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