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#9997 - 01/02/03 05:22 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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Hey scallion, where might i be able to get perl or PHP. What is PHP, i've never heard of it, lol... im new here i guess.
You are joking right? As much as we talk about it lately

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#9998 - 01/02/03 11:09 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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newb today 'eh?

http://www.php.net/ works, although most of the time if you're looking for a major resource, the address is http://[resource].org/.


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#9999 - 01/10/03 12:28 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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hmm someone answer this = )
I know Qbasic Very well, Learned it 1 year in High School and Currently taking it agian but higher grade level of course
Anyways would Visual Basic be the Next step ???
Or dive into C/C++ ??


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#10000 - 01/10/03 01:10 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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you might consider visual basic as the next step, however, not visualbasic.net, there would be to many differences


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#10001 - 01/10/03 01:51 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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so what Program Exactly should i learn in the Ladder ??
I know QBasic pretty good, I know html pretty good

Provide some sites 2 = )

Back what Visiaul Basic u talking about ??


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#10002 - 01/10/03 09:15 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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i'm saying that moving from qbasic to visual basic 6 or before would be easier than trying to go from qbasic to visualbasic.net


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#10003 - 01/10/03 11:45 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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I think Java is definitely the language to learn. It's fairly simple to learn, it's powerful, doesn't allow common programming errors you may write in C/C++, secure, and portable. For tutorials, resources, and discussion check out my site. http://www.javaspot.net

#10004 - 01/11/03 03:29 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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java is also slower than C/C++ and uses more resources and should be avoided if at all possible IMHO. Shoot I may even consider java slower than VB.


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#10005 - 01/11/03 09:17 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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Are you kidding? Sure it's slower than C/C++, but not noticably unless you're writing apps that require ultra-high performance. With the resources available to computers today, the overhead is negligible. I'm not one for bloated code, but Java code gets compiled cleanly and runs on any OS. Sure, programs use more resources than C programs, but it's that way with any language other than assembly and there are enough available resources that it doesn't matter. As for speed and resource usage, it's good enough that amazon.com uses servlets as the backend. Google did a massive study on the different technologies, spending about 50k in determining what they should use. They ended up going with PHP with the IonCube Accellarator, because the servers they run are FreeBSD and threads support on FreeBSD isn't that great.

There's no way java is slower than VB. Profile equivalent programs and the java one will be a lot faster. The MFC overhead is just too great in VB, though it's still not noticeable to the average person.

#10006 - 01/30/03 11:52 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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I think i am ganna start learning Visual Basic, The windows Version. It looks almost exactly the same as Qbasic but a little more complicated and a little more commands. What is VB actually used for mostley ?? I know alot of the Trojans out there are made in VB


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#10007 - 01/31/03 01:04 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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Well, I just did a speed test. This test did not involve the use of objects. All I did was loop from 0 to 10 million. Within the loop I incremented a long variable by one. Here's the results:

VB: 672 milliseconds
Java: 47 milliseconds
C: 16 milliseconds

This next test has to do with the fact java is forced to use objects, while VB and C may use the API. Again, we have a loop going from 0 to 10 million. However, this time within the loop, we have a single line where we store the system tick count into a long variable. (Java: System.currentTimeMillis)

VB: 1094 milliseconds
Java: 1313 milliseconds
C: 94 milliseconds

Conclusion. C kicks ass. Java as a language is faster than VB. VB's access to API's makes it capable of going faster than Java.

Also, in response to pergesu's popular argument concerning speed and system resources. I don't give a damn how fast you are. When it comes to intensive code, such as compression, encryption, sorting large lists, or anything that involves a heck of a lot of data, - the faster the better. The faster our computers get, the higher our demands become, so things are kept in balance.


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#10008 - 01/31/03 02:30 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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#10009 - 02/01/03 08:52 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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OK, Here's the DL on programming languages:

1. C++ is great - there's minor differences b/t ANSI C++ and VC (MS) C++, just the same as GNU (G++) has it's differences. It's a fast, good language that most exploits are written in - so you can do something other than print out exploits and pretend to read them.

2. Java is not slower than C++. The Virtual Machine that's installed on your system. On some systems, it's faster, on others, it's slower. And, it depends on what VM you install; embedded devices use Micro Runtime Edition or something like that. It's damn fast, but limited. J2RE is also PDQ. Writing your code tightly and efficiently is also a must. Java is good because it's 100% portable 99% of the time.

3. Perl/PHP - Not similiar at all, but often grouped together. Perl is a scripting/sysadmin language (IMO) which is unsuited for the internet. It's hideous to read too. PHP, on the other hand is secure, fast as hell, free, and interfaces well with common databases. Just one problem: bad coding habits are easy to pick up with this language. Watch out. (i.e. register_global, non-strict datatypes)

4. HTML/JavaScript/DHTML - These should be a whiz to learn after the above 3; you'll get the hang of it if you've been programming as long as I have.

Also, common languages (Ruby being determined as "common") always have tutorials on the web. Use google. PageRank actually works.

#10010 - 02/01/03 09:20 AM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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#10011 - 02/01/03 05:48 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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In my opinion, no.

Perl was designed as a scripting language primarily - it was hacked and kludged to be used with the internet.

#10012 - 02/02/03 02:16 PM Re: learning to program what language first?  
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Perl was designed by some dumb fuck who needed to do his taxes lol...


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