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UGN would like to take the time to honor in remembrance those acquaintances who had passed last year on September 11th in New York by Terrorists.

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I just thought that I'd let you all know also, the White House is at Terror Level II through this weekend.

Terror Level II is the second highest level of warnings, therefore their generally expecting something to be happening.


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correct me if im mistaken, isnt the country moved up to oarnge warning((level II)) also i heard((just by watching fox news)) most of the plans theyve been "intercepting" would be for over seas attacks and not neccisarally in the u.s . just the info ive heard, It is accurate from what i have seen recently on the news.
also, the V.P has gone secure locations till the end of this weakend. hmm i think thats about all of my knowlage of stuff going on. Add on if anything else interesting youv seen or read about the anniversory ((No i did not mean interesting in a good way, just news about plans for the 11th, or anything like that))


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i don't think anything will happen, the government just puts out warnings because they want to be able to say "i told you so" if something happens. they have been criticized for not knowing about the original attack, and they want to make sure they cover themselves this time. i don't think they should bother warning us unless they have concrete evidence such as where, when, and with what. if all they can tell me is that there is a risk of another attack within the next few days somewhere in the US, then they might as well stay quiet. i could have told everyone that... hope thats serious enough gizmo


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When ohfuk said in another topic, "why should I care if a bunch of americans died a yr ago?" or something, I thought he should be smacked. I do care, i think it was a horrible thing. What i do not like, is the media taking advantage of it and showing it on tv all the time. Using scare-tactics to get ratings. I don't think teachers should make us write about it and things like that. I understand we need to defend ourselves, and be prepared, and I support that. I am against getting into a country-level shoving match with other countries. (sidenote, about those nukes, if we would stop [censored] making them and stop maintaining the ones we have, and instead dispose of most of them, then we wouldn't have such a problem with them getting into the wrong hands, imo.)

Another thing that annoys me, is when everyone is going to show pride for our country tomorrow, but not the rest of the year. They wouldn't do it if so many peopl hadn't died, and it isn't even about pride so much as participation, for most people I mean. Those people that only care about donating blood and all that when something like this happens are annoying too.

I am sorry if this post is inappropriate, and if it is I have no problem with it being removed or edited out. But, I do want to honor those that died. Not just in this event, but in any event, ever.

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Well hooah to all those who had a helping hand. I know they are flying fighters overhead (I see em/hear). I don't live far from the City. Anyway, they just keeping a watch out. As for bad mouthing bout this, thier opinion, yet still not c00. Cold sunn has point though.


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This is for ohfuk and anybody else who feels the need to complain...

Yeah, sure, those thousands of deaths had nothing to do with me and many other people. But what about all those relatives/friends of the ones who died huh? Would you be so selfish as to resent the fact that there's so much going on to honor those who have died for no good reason at all? Think about it dude, some [censored] terrorists hijacked a couple of planes and made a total wreck of two very HUGE buildings just FILLED with people. What if YOUR dad was in that building? I'd be pretty pissed, who'd've thought that when you saw your dad last - that it really was going to be for the last time? Such a [censored] waste man, it's not even like those people went and died in a war - when they accepted the fact that they could die - when all friends and family accept that the person they know so well may die. But those people were just a bunch of businessman doing their everyday boring job at the office - and then after a few moments of terror and pain they died - not knowing why...

If it was you in that building, and you survived the shock of seeing so many people die - no wait, of seeing all those body parts charred and broken all over the ground. To see people jumping out of windows and plunging to their death - screaming all the way down... There's NOTHING - NOTHING - that can make it better. For those who lost loved ones - there's NOTHING that can bring them back. How DARE you resent the honor and remembrance on those who died and suffered. Don't you DARE think that after all those people went through, that we're just going to pretend it never happened and didn't matter.

So no more complaining ok? - from anybody. We don't need to hear it.


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AMEN, I send a prayer out to all those who lost someone and to all those that died.... <img border="0" alt="[Angel]" title="" src="graemlins/angel.gif" />


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For those who sit and whine like OhFuk, you may not have lost a friend in the whole incodent, I lost three, you may not have a reason to even mourne over people, but I do, so do many others.

A downside to the whole event (even worse) todays my 1 year anniversery from signing up for selective service smirk... (September 11th 2001 at 2:30AM, I smoked a joint at 4:20, saw everything on TV)...


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Damn Giz, Well I was already in the military at the time (Canadian) and was visiting family in IL, and was justing crosing the border back into Canada to go back on Duty when it happened, got stuck at the closed border for like 5 hrs, and lost my uncle in the attack...


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I have a few points. One, as everyone has said, this was a horrific event and though I can't imagine what it was like for the people and families of victims involved, I send my condolances. Two, I fully agree that there should be ceremonies and all that to remember them. Three, enough with the propoganda. The news stations have far too much propoganda trying to show that Americans were the total victims and so on. Americans and Canadians also bombed and killed thousands of people in Afghanistan, so we are not void of sin. Four, it's unfair that we only remember this event specifically because it was against Americans. Did many of you know that on September 11th, 1973, 3000 people also died in the Chilean Coup? Why don't we remember those people on this day? I'm not trying to take away from remembering the people in the World Trade Centers, I'm just saying that it's not fair to only remember those because they were American.


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Well Mornse, I should post why, but than again, i would be eaten alive by 99% of the people in here (cause they are american)

But this is something I came accross on the net:

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"Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a 'cowardly' attack on 'civilization' or 'liberty' or 'humanity' or 'the free world' but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions? How many citizens are aware of the ongoing American bombing of Iraq? And if the word 'cowardly' is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others."


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Another point to bring up, which I was reminded of by Predator's quote... There's a bit of a difference between acts of war or retaliation by a government, and an act of terrorism by an individual/organization. Governments are visible, and can be dealt with. But what about terroristic groups? They're a lot harder to stamp out.

This is not just about 3000 people dying Mornse. This is about 3000 people dying by a terrorist attack on the very powerful USA. If we can't prevent it - who can? That's the fear. That's what makes it especially memorable.


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I do think they should be remembered and honored. What I don't like, is the people taking advantage of it. Or the people that only care because it got so much attention. That only want their blood donation to go to the wtc, instead of wanting to do it anyways. I do think it is good that it made people want to help, but I wish people wanted to help already.

Yeah, I would probably feel different if my dad had died in it. But, I would hate seeing the buildings collapse from every angle alot more than I already do. I used to watch the Pulse, but I stopped because of two things. One, because we got extended cable back so O'Reilly Factor was within reach again. The other, because of their gay scare tactics about how watching it could save my life. Then, of course, it just explained that if a plane hit a nuclear power plant, it would damage the plant and not create a huge [censored] explosion and radiate the area for thousands of years.

I try to avoid stuff about things like the WTC attacks. I don't think everyone should forget about it, or not stay informed. Obviously people need to know about things, but it annoys me after so much.

It is going to be really annoying if some other event happens, (non-terrorist related) and people start focusing on that. I doubt it will happen since this is so big, but that crap is so annoying, how people will act like something is impoortant but forget it when something else happens. Again though, i don't think it will happen with 9 11.

Edit: left out a word, it made no sense before.

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I do think they should be remembered and honored. What I don't like, is the people taking advantage of it. Or the people that only care because it got so much attention.
This is excatly wat europeans do think. The fact is that this is a sad thing that has happend in the history of the human beeing. Too bad this has happend. But what Cold Sun has said, is true, it's so sad people do take advantage of it. It's just to cry. I'll give you one name of the people taking advantage of it. It's the AMERICAN GOVERNEMENT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. It's so sad to see. They just play the victim, altough they are the cEven american people don't see it. They (the governement) just use those attacks to sharpen some laws and those selfish thoughts of how the US should rule the world. The American governement is so selfish they don't think about the rest of the world. (if you want examples, just ask, i'll give hundreds of them).

The americans have done some great things in history (the normandian invasion etc, i'm very greatfull for that (altough that was also of a selfish cause), but that's a looooooong time ago.

As long as the US governememnt is trying to control the world, i don't blame so called terrorists to attack the USA. This all has happend cause the USA has asked for it. As long as the USA governemt is trying to control the world, this [censored] will happen. the american people is even too stupid to see this.

this is the view of an european mind? People from the us won't like it, but it's the truth, i didn't want to say it at first sply cause they can't handle it.

If you feel to flame me, go ahead, i don't care; If you do, this is just another proove that in the us you aren't allowed to say whatever you want.

Greets Predator.

Greetz to the [censored] idiotic bush governement (who think they control the world) and all the idiots in america (i didn't say all the people from the US are stupid, but 99,99% is), who do say the us goverment is right.

As long as they (the us governement, this [censored] will happen)are acting so shitty, but i don't give a [censored], too bad for all those innocent american victims...


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pred i respect your opinion, accept for this statement

"As long as the US governememnt is trying to control the world, i don't blame so called terrorists to attack the USA. This all has happend cause the USA has asked for it. As long as the USA governemt is trying to control the world, this [censored] will happen. the american people is even too stupid to see this."

thousands of men woman and children, hundreds of firefighters, peramedics and police. all dead, with thousands more around the world left mourning, family members, friends, lost all of the sudden. theres no way ayone can justify that. problems with the goverment?? sure, who doesnt have a problem with the way another goverment is run. but to try and say the united states goverment, or the united states deserved for this to happen? how ignorant can one be? but hey, its the internet, ones got the right to say what he thinks.


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wizzy, read my post more carefully, i do say i do find it's bad and very sad what has happend to those people, i don't justify all this [censored], i just say that i don't care as long as the american governement will act as it does for now (and it will be for a looong time)


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Because the government does [censored] that people disagree with they kill civilians? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that that will not change US policy or help their cause at all. There is NO excuse for killing thousands of innocent civilans. Honestly, the only reason I can see for it is to get their name in the news, it certainly doesn't make them a more valid organization or viewpoint.

It's far to late to say WHY this happened. It happened and hatred for the US has long ago passed the stage when simply changing policy will make the Arab nations & radicals stop wanting the US to cease to exist. Not only the US, mind you, but American Culture. IMO, it's the culture that matters just as much.

Anyways, there is no simple way for the US to 'fix things' because as of now things are hatred, not rational.
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What Pred was saying about the US government taking advantage of it, I agree to a certain level. If we don't do too bad in this thing, Bush will get reelected I think. The Patriot Act, all those other laws making our privacy even less important than our security, they get passed now because of the attacks. Like everyone else here, I don't think killing innocent civilians is justifiable. I especially think it is stupid that we are killing innocent people over there too. I would think that when it happens to you, you would know how bad it is and not want it to happen to other people. But they justify it since they did it to us, or it is easier, or it works. I hate all war, starting it and fighting it, all of that bullshit. We get taught as kids not to use violence as a solution, but when you are an adult and it isn't your life you are risking, then war it up. Send a bunch of people you won't ever meet to kill/be killed by a bunch of other people you won't ever meet. So much death and pain and sadness, and it just keeps going.

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may all deze souls frm sept 11 rest in peace
may their familys move on but never forget
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I haven't been around much lately, but I must tell you I was pleased to see this post and pleased to see SilentRage's first post.

It is like this people, If you disagree with the U.S. governments actions in the middle east. I can understand that. If you are tired of the media jumping all over this... I understand that.(but you could turn off the TV) If you think Bin Laden is fighting a just cause.... I disagree, but I can understand how one might take a political stand backing certain speeches and movements.

However to [censored] about honoring normal people who were HELPLESS victims in this. Mothers, fathers, wives, Husbands, Grandma's Grandpa, Kids,

[censored] KIDS!!!! WTF did a kid ever do?

If you have a problem with letting people honor the loss of innocent life, well [censored] you. Suck my dick have a coke and a smile, and get the [censored] away from me.

As SR said, it would be one thing if they were soldiers. Then yes you are fair game. You can except that. But if you are pissing and whining about people morning the loss of over 5,000 people you are simply an oxygen thief.

How would you feel at your mothers grave putting the flowers down on the ground with me standing over you saying, enough already, get over it. Don't like it... STFU! Turn your TV off. Let people grieve. It is human. Those who [censored] are obviously kids and do not know the value of tradgedy.

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I don't think killing innocent civilians is justifiable. I especially think it is stupid that we are killing innocent people over there too. I would think that when it happens to you, you would know how bad it is and not want it to happen to other people. But they justify it since they did it to us, or it is easier, or it works.
What make you think we are killing inocent people over there? Here The target was civillan. What a cowardly target. We target millitary and political centers and operations. I know all about stradegy of war buddy. There is nothing gained in killing civillans. NOTHING. US knows this too.

Do me a favor go to you local Libray and checkout some movies on desert storm. Look for the soldiers feeding the Iraqie soldiers, and thier kids. Know why they gave up so easy? We treat our prisoners better than they treat thier service members.

We make sure they have food water, clean clothes, showers etc etc etc....

We also treat Childer Great in countries we deploy to. Why?

1.) It is in our culture to take care of the young and innocent. (No it isn't in all cultures)
2.) The U.S. learned in Vietnam that how you treat the kids might determin later if you have an ally or enemy. Treat the kids right, They grow up to be adults, Maybe powerful adults.

Bin Laden calls for the death of all infedels. That is you buddy. Basicaly Americans. Civillan, Political, millitary. All the same.
Sound like anyone in history?

Hittler called for the death of all Jews.

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Hey learner, good to see your post...

A lot of us had friends or family in the buildings when the plane's crashed so we all have some sort of bad memories of that day, of loosing someone loved dearly.

Now with Osoma, I understnad the killing of christians being in their religon and all, but he could have at least taken into account that there were more athiest people in that building than christians...

But thats just my view... And with this whole middle east thing, [censored] it, bomb the [censored] outta them, give the land to china, and let the chinese have the [censored] so they don't wanna kill us... I think it'd solve a lot more than just being ridda some terrorists..


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Well.... Personaly I dissagree. Why? Oil my friend. Oil powers everything. So if they can't play nice, Bomb them.... Nah, take all violent states over.

Knock up thier women push all our prisoners over there, Fence off oils drilling sites for us, Drive American culture down thier throat till they puke.

Will never happen, and I am sure there would be consequences... But that is how I feel. Just take the [censored] over. Get rid of Opec. Give the hotties my penix and the terrorists a cell with bubba the big black guy in jail for killing his whole family on easter sunday in church.

I mean they came here and started some [censored]... So give them some [censored]. If we are so evil... Lets show them evil... *shrugs* Guess it is good I will never be president.

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Knock up thier women push all our prisoners over there, Fence off oils drilling sites for us, Drive American culture down thier throat till they puke.

Will never happen, and I am sure there would be consequences... But that is how I feel. Just take the [censored] over. Get rid of Opec. Give the hotties my penix and the terrorists a cell with bubba the big black guy in jail for killing his whole family on easter sunday in church.

I mean they came here and started some [censored]... So give them some [censored]. If we are so evil... Lets show them evil... *shrugs* Guess it is good I will never be president.
tssss rofl

Now this is an example of a typical american thought. and that is where the problem lies...

ps: The american governement is already evil, it's not cause you are blinded by them, that there are no problems. So no more need to show off that they are even more evil than now


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Bin Laden calls for the death of all infedels. That is you buddy. Basicaly Americans. Civillan, Political, millitary. All the same
infedels is anyone with beliefs different then theirs. They were beheading jahova's witnesses in the phillipines.
And its not all muslins, this guy is just an extremist nutcase. The problem is that he is in a position of power and influence like hitler was, which is extremely dangerous.

As far as innocents being killed I watch a special on PBS which was rather good all about what we did when our troops arrived in afganastan. How we teamed up with the northern alliance who had no orginaization followed them through the moutains to blow up little villages that doubled as military bases. When they attacked us they wanted to hurt our economy, they didnt care about civilians neither do we though. Im not saying I dont morn the people who were lost in the attack, I do. There isnt going to be a simple solution to this war like in wwII were we can just drop a bomb and everything will be over.

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Yes, their target was civilian. Our's isn't, or isn't supposed to be. Killing innocent civilians lowers moral, and depending how the country works it hurts the economy. I know they have different beliefs than us, so I don't know how it would affect them. But I am not positive that what I heard about us killing innocent civilians was true, and can't remember exactly where I heard it. I think it came out of some dude's mouth on fox news. Sorry, I shouldn't have posted something that I wasn't sure of.

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Yes, we killed civilians. Shoot, some stray bombs hit our own Red Cross warehouses in the area. We wasn't trying to kill civilians, but that is a sad fact in war.


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The difference is this guys. If a target is picked which houses civillans....

The US picks the time when the least amount of people will be inside. One reason many operations occure after dark. (Bedise cover of night)

Bin Laden picked the time when the most people would be inside. Right at the start of the day. Before people leave to meet clients. Before lunch break. Before they leave thier early morning meeting and start to work. Everyone would be there. It is the start of the day...

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predator, im on your side and i live 10 minutes from DC, (capitol of USA) and im not soposed to post in this topic so ill stfu

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Learner: people leave there houses at night?

I dont think Bin Laden cared one way or another about the presence of civilians in his attack. I highly doubt he was trying for an exact time, his target was our economy and he hit it hard.

I dont really care if we take out civillians along with military targets, this is war not christmas dinner, but then again im also a cold heartless [censored].

Pred: we are the evil empire. Who cares Im proud to be a part of it. The difference is maybe I realize it. When your on top everyone always wants to bring you down and every great empire will always fall. The question is how hard will it be.

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Personally I find it remarkably close minded when people consider the USA to be evil or the angelic good. I suppose it too must be something to be proud of. I personally strive to see both the good and bad. I can be proud of the good without endorsing the bad. The same goes for people who think that there's only bad or good reasons for every action - then just ASSUME it is one way or the other. I suppose it's more simple that way. People don't even care if they're wrong as long as everything fits into neat little boxes.


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