Okay this guy....

First off many of you know I am not beyond violence. I am for true anarchy (not blowing crap up but instead not having da man tell me what I can and can't do) Violence has it's place.

Without violence we the U.S. would still be under British/Spanish/French rule.

Without violence we might still have slavery (Yes I know the civil war was not about slavery, however slaves fought and earned some freedom and respect)

Without violence other violence goes without consequese.

Back to the sniper. Now say this person wants to stop gas consupmtion (seems to favor gass station shootings) fine. People don't listen. Death scares people. I don't agree with the means but I can see a crazy kind of logic there.

The [censored] shot a kid. 13 year old kid, blew his back out. He is fireing basicaly an M-16. Same rounds. Must be using a scop.

The day he shot the kid he left the death tarrot card with a note on it.

"Hello Mr. police officer, I am God"

This [censored] shot a inocent kid. He kills about 5 a week. 2 weeks now he has not killed or tryed on the weekend. This tells me he has

a.) a Family
b.) A brain and knows more traffic on the weekend
c.) something preventing him.

He undertands one shot and leave. He only takes one shot then bails. This tells me he is trained somehow. Most people would take a second shot if the first isn't fatal. He has a spoter to confirm kills. The news. More on that.

He has the ability to make a sht in a crowded area and escape without anyone seeing..... A couple people have lived, He is shooting center mass. That is both what hunters and soldier do. Snipers take head shots. Pro's take 2 shots. one head one center mass.

Now with the news. This guy is not your typical postal worker. What I mean is he is playing chess. He makes a move, watches the board (news). Then he makes adjustments. The news says he will not venture outside a certain mile radius. Next day a person is shot outside that radius.

To target kids and unknowing bystandars.. That is a coward. One man was talking to his wife in the car at the passenger window. She saw his chest explode onto her and the car. The kid was at school. That means he targeted a school. And Goddamnit he just shot a woman in Fairfax Va.

I just found out. If he makes it to the weekend watch. He will not kill on Saturday or Sunday. I find this to be a major clue.....

The police/investigators are hopefully onto those clues, too.
... Kinda reminds me of that movie "Dirty Harry."

huh, damn interesting learner..

i really think you made a somekinda logic outta this all, i mean he really seems like playing chess, he must have some way or something about how he choses his VICTIMS right ??? He's probably not after revenge to someone or anything as i can tell by your post, but i think he's mad as hell about something or he's tryin to prove something.
He must be a Pro or something or maybe ex-soldier, ex-cia or dunno... or somekinda killa.

One thing i can say for sure is that this guy has no [censored] Mercy. to kill a 13 years old kid ? ohh damn that's so [censored] terrible. And yeah i think you made a really good point when you said that he watches the news and makes adjustments, thats probably what he does, he goes kinda STEP by STEP. I think that in the end of this all we'll just have one crazy motherfucker and the police will say that he's a serial killer and blla blla [censored] like that. He ain't doin this for funn probably, it just doesn't make any sense.

Btw, as these kinda peoples usually do, he probably has a way to choose his next victims, he shot kids, a man and so on... hmmm this makes me think a lot.

The motherfucker is after kids, the police should be more around schools and [censored], but since he' shots from sniper and he's damn good.. i really dunno what the hell is gonna happen. But this for sure got me interested so please learner keep me notified about this whole thing ok.. i really wanna know what happens later.

P.S. Snipers fascinate me... i'm crazy about them, if i had one i'd maybe become like the guy we're talkin about !!! (but never shoot kids).

why kids dammnit, why is he shooting kids ?

arrgfhh

Well man...

http://www.cnn.com

read the main page...

The thing is he dosen't fit a serial killer profile. Most serial killers kill

1.) within thier race
2.) stick to one sex
3.) have a common tie between all victems
4.) do it up close and in person

This guy has killed Black, white, women, children, men, shot past a cop to kill on victem, and allways gets away without anyone seeing a thing during busy times of day.

Now even though he is a sniper I find this odd. You hear a gun shot you look. Snipers don't use silencers as they can [censored] up aim....

I have a hunch there is more than one also. To shoot past a cop and drive away clean..... I suspect a get away driver. Maybe multiple vehicles. It seems he got away tonight also.

Here is a map of where shootings have happened

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0210/map.sniper.trail/map.washington.sniper.dhtml.gif

Some theories

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/10/12/sniper.media/

Latest news of last nights shooting

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/14/sniper.shootings/index.html

I was wrong it seems the 13 year old lived

damn i'm still reading it .. it's so interesting.

yeah you're right that why i said that he could be a seriall killer but serial killers do have a common tie between all their victims as you said.

awww i didn't know he also killed women and so on.. i thought he was only after kids.

hmm i thin he's choosin some places with big traffic, peoples and so on from which the can escape faster, and yeah it'd damn wired how he gets without anyone seing him or anything huh.

He maybe has a driver or something waitting for him, some stunt driver maybe or someone who's hell good at it, or maybe he does everything himself... yeah probably himself !!!.

This guys seems like to be ready for everything and anything, i think he's like tooo sure you know what i mean ? he has it all planed just perfectly so now he just does his thang.

P.S. Are you saying that he is using a silencer for the sniper or no ?

and yeah you said he left a message once, does he leaves messages everytime or sometimes or he left it just once.. or what ?

i think he's hell a Pro

holy [censored], in CNN i found lots more as you said learner... damn it's interesting...

btw: i read that the boy is dead anyway...

Listen now some of my own [censored] theories.

I was looking at the
Interactive: The Sniper's Trail

in the CNN website, and i found some interesting things, i was checking in the maps and reading about the victims who they were and how it happen tryin to get to some point...

He isn't choosin they're victims from the same place, profesion or something, one of em was a program analyst, the other one a carpetner, the other one a cab driver... and so on.. it doesn't make any sense, but there IS something that makes sense .. listen..

If you read good you'll realise that most of his shots happen when the victims were in the parking lots or filling up cas or something, i could read that about 5 of em were shot to death while doing such things, i mean they were near the gas stations or so when they got shot. So this would be correct if his next victim is shot near the gas station again ... gotta wait and see.

and one more terrible thing..

Could this guy maybe be a member of AL QAEDA ?

i hope he's anyone else but a member of that, that would be really terrible, coz this all seems like a revenge in innocent people, AL QAEDA did this once so i would't be surprised if they do it againt, damnn... it's so [censored] interesting..

gotta read up more.

later learner

Well he isn't too good.

He shoots center mass. That isn't a snipre shot. Center mass is a hunter or grunt soldier shot. Can be fatal, but not allways. He hasn't killed all his victems, so I think he is not a pro.

However he understands one shot then leave. That IS a sniper tactic. Sniper never waits to confirm his kill. He allways has a spoter. This guy has the news for his spoter.

I do not think he is using a silencer no. Silencers can throw accruacy off. He started taking all shell casings not leaving a trace. Now he leaves them.

As far as I knw he only left the one note on the tarrot card. However if I was the police I would not dissclose all to the press.

oooouu, check this out now...

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Screen speculation
Attention has turned not only to video games but also to movies in an attempt to find clues to the killer's behavior. In "Malice," a 1993 thriller which aired October 3 on the TBS cable network -- a sister AOL Time Warner company with CNN -- Alec Baldwin plays a surgeon who comes under fire during a legal deposition.

"You ask me if I have a God complex?" Baldwin's character says. "Let me tell you something: I am God!"

The film's broadcast several days before the inscribed Tarot card was discovered near a Maryland school where a 13-year-old boy was shot was enough for some to conclude that it might be related. (About Tarot cards)

The theories didn't stop there. The buzz surrounding Tarot was so intense as a result of the sniper case that the American Tarot Association posted a page of "fast-facts" on its Web site.

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you see the thing that baldwin said in the movie "I am God!" << now that's something pretty much same as the note that the killer left...

but still... who the hell is he ?

Well I think gas station and parking lot is just an easy shot. He also shot a guy moving his yard. I mean when you pump gas what are you doing... Standing still. Parking lot too. it you are loading a car with bags you are in one place for a few minutes.

There are theories about AL QAEDA but dosen't seem thiere style. They usaly attack many people at once to cause terror. This is too.... slow and puney to be thier style.

I think this is a Hunter that wanted to hunt bigger game. Or something along those lines.

hell yeah man

btw we don't know yet, it could be AL QAEDA, this doesn't seems as their style fo far but i mean they [censored] terrosists, they changes styles every day if they want...

I think you're right about the silencer, but since the police says SNIPER he was probably using a sniper or maybe another weapon but no evidence yet.

maybe he wants a bigger game but damn this is kinda funny.. HUNTING PEOPLES lol. This guys is just a crazy motherfucker lookin for some funn.

Still lots more to come.

i just hope they'll get him before he kills more innocent people.

later

First of all, I think pretty much anyone who kills when it is not out of necessity, has a type of Christ complex. Come on, it is only natural to get an adrenaline rush and feel like God. It is about as close as one can come. So I don't think that is a big deal.

I believe there are two. Sounds like there is a driver in a cream colored van/truck. I am sure he must signal to the shooter. They also think they alternate.

Odd thing. They found a van fitting the description. They find a rifle, ammo same as sniper, sniper manual, tarot card, a sign that's message hasn't been made public, and a sign on dashboard saying "Gihad in America" (Think means holy war). And they say it isn't the guy. Sounds like the guy to me or atleast one of the guys. However there was an incident that took place while this guy was being questioned. So perhaps the 2nd guy acted alone?

If he gets caught it will be
1] on his own terms
2] coincidence(see Ted Bundy)

I am sure he must communicate somehow with the driver to know when is a good time to take a shot and who. So the police should be attempting to figure out how this is done. Unfortunately no matter how they communication, its too large a radius to realistically monitor.

I think he scouts locations and doesn't plan on victims. Its just whoever happens to be their during his window of opportunity.

He knows enough to know that if you have a pattern, it will lead to you getting caught, so he is trying to mix it up also. He doesn't care. A life taken is a life taken.

Obvious he is sick b/c he shot the child in front of the person dropping him off. I believe he did this on purpose and he felt more powerful by taking a kids life. And his latest dealt with shooting a woman while her husband was less than 3 feet away. So I expect children and women to become his targets from now on probably.

man o man

"Gihad in America" << if it's correct this thing that you said, that i'm telling you the situation will be [censored] up, Gihad i heard this word somewhere, i know it pretty good from somewhere i just can't recall in the moment damn, but i'm sure that's something related to avaganistan and so on.. i told ya guys, AL QAEDA slept it's fingers in whole this deal, the guy is problably one of em, or i hell dunno. i'll search a bit.

You said they found the rifle, a van that fits the description, some ammo and so on, he could maybe leave fingerprints or maybe no...

i'm sure police knows how to do this better than us, that's for sure, all we can do here is talk, suggest, think of possiable theories that might lead to something.

I don't know about women but as i said above too, i think he's after kids, lets wait till his next target which i truly hope there wont be any.

Damn, how can peoples do things like this !!!.

later

bp

Well the kid was a week ago. He has killed several since. Ji-had I think is the correct spelling. Yea it means holly war.

Yes i agree with you on that too, lets not foget we're talking about a seriall killer here. I don't know learner but i think it's spelled GJI HAD, maybe we're spelling it in the same way but we're writting it differently.

check it out people....this [censored] actually affects me. i live all of 12 miles away from DC, the last guy killed was at the Home Depo a couple miles away. its crazy as hell. everybody is all freaked out and edgy. (i was right) 10 shot, 8 dead, 2 seriously wounded. hes soposidly driving around in either a chevy white astro van with west VA tags or a white box truck. i think 2, maybe 3 kills ago a cop was near by givving some guy a ticket and the cop hear the shot and saw the person fall all of 50 yds away from him. hes starting to get sloppy. still no one saw the killer but people have seen the astro van at many of the killings. many major highways have been shut down for miles and DC already had one of the worst traffic situations in the country. the cops were getting hundreds of calls yesterday every time a car back fired or a window broke. people are saying that there are 2 people, one shooting, one driving. odds are that there going to go down fighting. theres what i know, from someone in the neiborhood. half the people killed have been at places i have been to before.

if this continues, there going to cancel my schools football season, last game was canceled because of it.

lets not get stuck on the fact that he shot a kid, to turn this lets look at all the incidents of children commiting murders and such

he's just saying, that regardless of race, age, or sex you could be a target.

now lets also not get hung up on the fact that these people could be nice or that they're kids or whatever. I keep seeing these people sobbing on tv about how some guy that took one to the kidneys was such a nice guy...blah blah blah shut up!

I mean honestly, HE'S PICKING THEM AT RANDOM he doesn't care how high your karma is, you get in his crosshairs you die. End of story. Media's just hungry for sound bites

also, his records pretty decent, he's like 13 shots, 9 kills, 3 wounded or something

1 shot went into a window, 9 kills and then 3 wounded

13/9/3 is a pretty decent record if you ask me

now to learners comment about a scope, so far he's been hitting people at like 150yrds

now with a .223 you could probably do that open sights with a spoter, and being a decent shot...that would explain why he's taking body mass shots

oh, and last night he got a women in the head, moving target

I'm not really convinced it's Al-Quida, in fact I hope it's not...Bush and his Thugs could jump right on gun control bullshit if it was

But lets consider the posiblity of Al-Quida, could this be the next step in their plan? Snipers in range of the major cities around our country? doesn't seem like a bad idea to me....

the logic of the gas stations could make sense, but I think the idea that they're standing there for some time makes more sense. Just like the women he got on the bench

anyway, all in all I'm kinda in awe of this guy, finaly a serial killer that doesn't just muder in some sloppy, messy way, then hit as many and as fast as he can...get his serial killer title and then get caught

he's playing it quite well, watching his [censored], and watching the media work for him...."loose lips sink ships"

I seriously doubt it is a he as much as a them. To clear out this many times this soon he has to have help. I agree it is random. The kid leads me to think it is noe Al-Quida. Reason is killing kids will not help thier cause.

Al-Quida claim to represent a religious world. Killing kids would do nothing but pull support away from that. Now I know kids died on 9/11 but they didn't target them. Ever hear of a terrorist targeting a school? How much security is in a school. It would be an easy target.

I agree more gun controll will probably come out of this... Shame realy. Another thing about Al-Quida is I think we would have heard something by now. I mean they usally claim thier work. Even if subtle. Like see what happens to infedles.

I doubt they would claim to be god. Of course I'm sure I could be wrong. I am stuck on the kid because he went out of his way to target a kid. He was targeting a school...

As for the sloppiness of a cop being right there, I am sure that was intentional. There was also a cop present by the Home Depot shooting. He is looking for a higher thrill. That is why I suggested kids and women. Now he may not target them, but he will surely try to up the adrenaline rush. I don't know how much more he can do before it controls him.

Seriously how long can he increase the rush he gets by using just one bullet and one person.

Also, I wasn't sure where the Tarot card was placed, but it was evidently very close to near where the boy was shot. Yet another example of needing a bigger rush.

Also the Home Depot intersection was supposed to be one of the busiest in that area.

May sound sick, but I am very interested to see how this "sniper" ups the ante.

Bush commented that no new gun laws will become of this.

lol, very sick...i cant wait either...who knows, maybe he'll show up at my school and pull out an asult rifle...you all talk but it dosnt effect you at all...if someone i know gets shot im gonna be pissed. on the other hand, im still rooting for the killer. im always on the bad guys side.

Hmmm I have always had great interests in Serial Killers and I am personally still searching for info as most of the information posted here is from CNN :-P and I aint the biggest fan of CNN.

But well some intresting theories, will "participate" soon!

Here is a blog where the blogger has some good critical analysis and profile of the sniper. Goto Oct 14th.

http://bias.blogfodder.net/

This guy will eventually let himself get caught. Yes, let himself.
He loves the rush, he loves seeing his exploits in the news, he loves the guessing. Eventually the only way tpo "up the ante" will be to let people know who he is. What's the point if you never get credit for it?

As for what he does next . . . the media says what he's never done, what he can't do, he does it. Probably get's great kicks from it.

Anyways, I'm willing to guarantee that he does, sooner or later, let himself get caught. (he's already leaving more evidence, makes the chase more exciting.)

$500,000 reward on his head! damn. lady killed yesterday has been confirmed his victim. 9 dead, 2 wounded.

i gotta disagree with you TBG. I think hes gotten into this so much that theres no way hes just going to let it end. when they catch him, and they will catch him unless he stops killing,and we all know that will not happen, he will kill as many cops as possible before they kill him. hes gonna go down fighting.

interesting facts about his random victims: lady killed survived cancer...you cant excape death. she was also involved with the FBI and she was shot in a stationarry car. a black guy killed had 6 children, one of which was albino. so hes a really really white black guy. "see that freckle? thats my real skin color. really I'm black. what, you dont believe me?"

They now have 2 descriptions of the killers van, one is a chevy astro van with a roof rack and a brocken left tail light, the other is a dodge van with a roof rack

I was over by 7 corners(place of most recent killing) on saturday....im there all the time

and i hell agree with you ohfuk, he's in deep [censored] by now, and he probably ain't even thinking about giving up.

damn i'm just still thinking to come to a close conclusion about this guy or something, too many theories, i don't know, but most of his victims are killed in standing position i think, and most of em close or in their cars. But one thing i don't undestand is, why kids damn, why kids ?

Now lots of people everywhere are making lots of good theories and analysis about this case but still there isn't so much stuff to lead to the serial killer.

And now i'm wondering, in the beggining he just left a note, than he was leaving no evidence and now he start leaving em, well maybe as TBG said he's trying to make the case more existing. But hell yeah now i'm really convinced that someone is helping him, even if not in killing, probably on escaping or something (i'd say the van he's using is the dodge one with a roof rack ohfuk).

What do you think guys, does he have a specail method or something to choose his victims or he just gets out for hunting and shots the first one he sees ? i think he has a way or something how he selects his next victims... what do u think ?

Last nite i saw a movie pretty much like this one, there was this [censored] crazy serial killer, he was killings women, he was choosin his victims by bussiness cards and the motherfucker than killed them, after he killed em he was dressing them pretty good to make em look like someone dunno old special dolls, and he was leaving them in parks and so on in a sitting position, the motherfucker was trying to transform them to his favourite dolls, damn such crazy shits ...

well i kinda got outta topic, sorry for that.

see ya

P.S. hope they'll get this motherfucker soon.

oh and yes, ohfuk if i were in your place man i'd get the [censored] outta there, 7 corners away, are you [censored] crazy ???