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#28659 - 01/28/03 08:51 AM Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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Ever thought about it? How many people do you know that are bi polar? How many do you know that are on anti depressants? What if we weren't ever meant to live this way? At rhe risk of ringing the paranoina bell... How much of society works all their lives to make a handful rich. How many of us are truly free. Sure we can go to the movie and take in culture that makes us want buy stuff. Or act a certain way.

I would like to know the stats of mental illness since the 1950's till now. Ever think about the amount of law enforcement on payroll these days verses the amount back then and how crime has gone up? Where do you think it will end?

Here is what I see. People are starting to not be able to take scociety as we have created it. Our answer? Drugs to allow them to get back in the game. That is kinda like a sci-fi movie isn't it? I am sure some of you will dissagree. But if you do, how do you account for the rise in mental illness? Most peoples desire to keep moving, and the urge to get things done faster? Computer were supposed to take our work and make it easier. Now it is just easier to take home. Lines are being blured, and freedom is at stake I feel.

Freedom? In the U.S. we now pay a much higher tax rate than we paid to the british before the boston tea party. It is now law to wear a helmet when riding a bicycle. Kids are being thrown in jail for 10 years + over money (piracy) while murderes and rapists get less time.

We are starting to turn the courtship of a man and a woman into an event. (Reality shows) When do the death penalty shows start? In a society when morals and decency are taught to us through a box that plugs into a wall where are we headed? What are your thoughts? I am talking about society as a whole, not you. Dont post well I don't...

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#28660 - 01/28/03 09:03 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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#28661 - 01/28/03 01:48 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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Freedom? Considering almost every country is run by a totalitarian, north america is completely run by totalitarians, pretty much every human on earth is domesticated and if they find a group that isnt they send over scientists to study them which *completely* destroys the non-domesticated society, and there are lots more things that show just how "free" we are. social norms are at an all-time high, if we dont fit that mold we are shunned. Kicked out of society. we pretty much have to live the way they want us to or they fuck us over. Personally, i beleive big brother watches everyone...


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#28662 - 01/28/03 04:00 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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hahaha.. i think i've been on every anti-depressant they make! oh- except for effexor. but i will probably be on that one soon. gotta call the doc in a few minutes but yes, things are way too fast paced and the mental/health problems are starting younger and younger in kids. it's pretty shitty when you're 7 years old and have post-traumatic stress syndrome. (Calvin has that.. he's JC's little bro) i remember when i was first diagnosed with my anxiety disorder. i was 11. it was still really rare i guess. but now i know a shitload of people that have problems with it.


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#28663 - 01/28/03 04:10 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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The government breeds us to pay for their system. We are their workers, their cattle, their sheep. Whatever you want to call us. Do you not like the life your government maintains for you? Transportation, security, health care, indoor plumbing, heat, electricity, education, this access to information we call the internet? Maybe there's a rise of mentally ill people now, because we're able to address them, when before they would either be killed, or ignored, or something else along those lines. For some reason now we value life. All life is precious, or some crap like that. Thats exactly what I think of when I hear the names charles manson or jeffrey dohmer. Precious. Yeah they might of started off as normal babies, but there interpretation of society made them into whatever they were. There is a reason that people who dont fit the mold shunned, because we dont want them in our gene pool. In old times if someone had a birth defect they were thrown into a ravine, if they were nutz they were stoned to death or exiled. This isnt a recent phenomenon.

These words seem odd coming from my mouth. I used to think just like that and try to fight the system, but the system will win every time. The system is just the enactment of the views and interests of the majority of our population. If you try to go against the flow your just going to be swept away. The best thing is to jump in and try to change the direction once you get to the front.

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#28664 - 01/28/03 04:53 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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I dunno. Maybe I'm domesticated. Cause I don't smoke, I don't take drugs to calm myself or escape, and yet I don't get stressed out or depressed. And as long as the government leaves me alone, it can do what it wants. If they do something particularly stupid, then I'll keep up on current events, but otherwise, I don't really care. I don't read the newspaper except every monday when there's a Business & Technology section. As for a fast paced life? I keep mine at a walk. If everybody was just like me, then there'd be no wars, cause everybody would get along. I am the prototype they base heaven on. Just call me Jesus.


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#28665 - 01/28/03 05:03 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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I'll post my true thoughts in the form of IRC logs:
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Do you not like the life your government maintains for you?
Not that that's personal criticism, just a note for when you write professionally.

#28666 - 01/28/03 05:05 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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lol, we value life? Look at the world right now. Let's see, middle east has been fighting eachother for 1000's of years, theres war, famine, disease, and death in general everywhere, theres the war bush is starting up which he calls "The war where no one dies" of course, hes only talking about americans that wont die (arnt they the only ones that matter anyway?) our culture is based on greed, hate, rivallry, and everything that keeps us hating something or someone all the time. We're never "at peace" or "happy" so we're never free.


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#28667 - 01/28/03 05:12 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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gosh dang, that IRC quote makes it look like I think the same way. I truly don't care what you guys talk about, I just don't find them as much of an issue - hence my sarcastic post, and the humor I found in it.


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#28668 - 01/28/03 11:16 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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anyone ever read the book rainbow six?the baddys had a solution to the fast paced improvement in computers etc.


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#28669 - 01/28/03 11:57 PM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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yeah that was a good book. of late though, Tom Clancy's work looks more theatrical and less realistic - but then again, he's delving into the future with the rate at which his books progress, and as he does that, the probability of those events decreases (I.E. Jack Ryan - falling into Gov't service, a few years later, he's president.)

#28670 - 01/29/03 01:03 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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the natural order of things is disorder. look at nature, for it is in nature that you will find truth. the elements will scatter ever particly of this planet all over if not controled. well not everything, but you should get the idea. society tries to control everthing, so there will be less disorder, for it is only this way that we can succeed in societies eyes. basically- society drives us away from nature, away from truth. This can seriously fuck with individuals heads. and it seriously fucks people up.

#28671 - 01/29/03 01:52 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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Don't confuse physics with human nature. I really dont think humans tend to go towards disorder, anarchy, or chaos, because we wouldn't have any type of society if that were true. Humans, if left alone in some island tribe or some shit, always form communities and establish some sort of leadership within it. If thats not order what is?

Scally, I kinda like the way that sounds and I cant really think of a way to re-word it to get the same effect as when I say it that way. I guess I could've used a contraction but, to me, it would have lost emphasis.

#28672 - 01/29/03 05:19 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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You sound like an english teacher from the 1800's.

Try "What's so terrible about the life your gov't provides for you?"

Use different vocabulary to bypass inversion.

#28673 - 01/29/03 06:17 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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I can't bring myself to work up as much anti-government enthusiasm as you all seem to be doing. I agree with silentrage. most of the stuff they do doesn't seem to affect me, so i don't care.
windead, please excuse me for my ignorance, but who exactly are the totalitarians running north america?
sintax, the only people i know who are on drugs, need to be on drugs. i don't know much about rise in mental illness or anything, but if byron wasn't on anti-depressants he'd have commited suicide, and if jordan wasn't on whatever the fuk he's on, he's probably have killed somebody else by now. i realize those names don't mean anything to you, there just friends of mine.


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#28674 - 01/29/03 06:43 AM Re: Our fast paced society and its impact on us  
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Scally:
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C'mon folks, stay with computers and leave this BS behind.
It is the off topic forum. I take that to mean not relating to computers since everything else in here dose.


This post wasn't to start any talk about fighting the system. The system is us. or people we put in charge of the system. I am just wondering if anyone else see's some of the things I am seeing? More and more broken homes, mothers leaving kids for careers, dead beat dads, kids becoming numb at much younger ages than just 10 years ago.

Anyone see this? How many divorced families do you know? How many mothers have to leave their babies at a bay sitter to work? Now I am talking about mothers who want to stay home with their kids. I might catch some flack for this, but in nature that is the normal way right? A mother stays by her babies side to help it develop and nurture it. What are the long term effects of changing some of these natural events?

How hot dose it get in a city during the summer verses a country environment? What effect dose this have on people?

I am not saying to do anything, but just raising some questions. Take a look at growing up today.

1.) You are born to mom (if lucky and dad)

2.) Mom goes back to work after 2 weeks to 6 moths after you are born. You go to a baby sitter

3.) Now we start teaching you about society with all the children television shows you watch at the baby sitters.

4.) You make friends and lose them as kids are pulled out do to their or your parents switch day care or jobs.

5.) Mom and dad get home and are exhausted, you are excited to see them, so you all watch more TV (sound about right?) Why do you think they call it programming?

6.) You start school. Learn to read write and are folded further into the fold we call society. You are taught about sharing, glue paste and how to stand in line. How to stand in the corner. How fighting is bad, how we should feel about things.

7.) You start to learn how to not share. YOu learn about bullies, lies, how to read, and write, math. You learn how to make friends faster. You learn how to pick on other kids. You learn a bit about authority

8.) Move on to middle school and you learn more about self structure. Authority, books, more lines. Less parents, more friends, maybe you have moved once or twice.

9.) High school, now you don't really wana deal with mom and dad as much but they have a little more time. Maybe you have a girlfriend/boyfriend. Little drama in the social life. You start planing your whole life in high school. What you wana become, who your friends will be.

10.) Collage or work.

11.) Start your own family. Some will do this in steps 9 and or 10.


For something we are supposed to be... People spend a lot of time training us how to act. 18 years you have someone teaching you how to fit into scociety. Think about it. All the TV, teachers, babysitters, even parents, all teach you how to blend in. How to not draw attention to yourself.

In public school how many out going girls did you know? I am talking about in class. How many did you know that were not too shy to stand out by volunteering, or answering the oral questions?

How many girls do you know that have been sexually assaulted by the age of 16? 80% of the girls you know have been. 20% of them will be rapped by 18.

How many of them have 2 working parents that are incredibly busy? How much money dose your job alone generate for the company you work for?

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I think the rise in mental illness may be partially due to medical malpractice insurance... If a psycologist exams a person and he doesn't think the person is truely depressed or has a mental issue, and the person turns around and does something anti-social, the psycologist may be sued for everything he owns... So psycologists tend to write alot of prescriptions...

And it seems like public school is the government's way of teaching kids to grow up and conform, they say be yourself, yet they enact dress codes, fail you for political incorrectness, threaten to have you arrested if you hold a protest about a school policy, abuse your Constitutional rights, and so on...
Something else, I was reading a student conduct guide, and one of the things that teachers are required to report to the police is "immorallity"...

People are affraid to stand up to the government anymore, and whenever someone does stand up, they make the person sound like a terrorist or a nazi or communist trader...

People choose to vote by whoever the news media makes sound the best...

Something I was just thinking about... When was the last time someone who was born to a poor lower class working family grew up and became president? And when was the last time a third party canidate was even mentioned by the news?

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hrmm... i don't think we can blame the government for the rise in mental health issues. isn't it funny how people try to blame EVERYTHING on the government? shit.. sometimes we just have to realize that not everything is their fault. seriously.. since humans have existed we have been progressing in every area. it's only natural that the more advanced we become the more fast paced society becomes. it's not the government's doing. i'm sick of these fucking people who bitch and moan about how awful this government is. ya know what? no matter where you go, you're going to fucking bitch about that government. not one government that has ever been created has been perfect. sometimes we just have to suck it up and realize that fact. Hitler was damn close to having the ideal government. And i'm not just saying that because i like the guy. if you actually go back and look, he had some of the most ingenious ideas. he actually did care about his people. (yeah.. laugh if you want to, but it's fucking true!) he took Germany and turned it completely around. he started with a crumbling government and turned it into a functioning one. he fixed the economy. well.. until the allied forces decided it'd be fun to start a war with him. that kinda screwed 'em over. at any rate.. he balanced capitolism and fascism. he had a whole mix of ideals that really can't be put into one category. and that is the closest to a 'perfect' government that you will ever find.

btw: don't bother fucking bitching at me, because you won't change my mind on this fact. plus, i'm probably too damned lazy to check for any replies. oh- and i know some of you are youngens, but still, dont go preaching to me about what you think you know about Hitler. you'd be surprised about the lies have been spread ahhh... US propaganda.. isn't it grand??


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flesh, i can change your mind on issues, look at all the times in the past i have :x... But I have ADD and I don't have my glasses, so I can't really comment on large chunks of words lol...


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Yea, a scarier thought is we are kinda back to royalty. When we are electing certain families over and over again.

Bush
Kenedy
Gore

I saw a movie about 6 months ago called steal this movie. I highly recomend it. It was about a political activist in the 60's and 70's named Abbie Hoffman. The movie title is a spin off of his famous book. Yup, "Steal this book".

He was forced underground for I think 2 decades by the government. He was able to prove they miss used thier power and broke the law to go aftr him. He proved this in a U.S. court of law.

He was allowed to go back to his life. But nothing happend to the people in power. Our generation dosen't seem to have anyone with this kind of conviction to fight for our rights.

Can't same I blame anyone. Look at what happened to Abbie. It only take one person to lead a protest or start a grass roots movement to make change. Sadly that person is usaly destroyed for it, while everyone else gets to move on. Being first is allways punished.


Some info on ole Abbie

http://foia.fbi.gov/hoffsum.htm

http://theaction.com/Abbie/

http://www.teaching.com/earthday97/center/text/webstock19.htm

http://www.connix.com/~harry/hoffman.htm

http://www.quotationspage.com/search.php3?Author=Abbie+Hoffman&file=other

I'm not sure what our generation needs, but it did get screwed along the way.

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remember the political witchhunt they launched against Macarthy? i don't know why they were so damned terrified of communism, but they started going after people and calling them communists, whether they were or not. it's just kind of odd when somebody opposes the person in power, how they all of a sudden are the most horrible person on Earth.


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Yea I read about all of that. It's kinda repeating it's self now. Back then anyone the government wanted to get rid of was marked a red(red = communist).

Now everyone that opposes the government or authority is a terrorist. It is the same propaganda re-spun to fit the day. Just imagine if you were named a terrorist on the news. Many wouldn't even need any proof. You would be marked.

The government has not had this much power since the days of Abbie Hoffman. The reason is they abused it and ruined peoples lives over political gain. Now we are at a new generation and not many remember or care.

As you get older you are less likely to challenge the system. I can't think of a revolution led by anyone in the 30's. It usually starts with collage aged people. So many rights are being trampled right now... I guess we are safer when we are watched. (Jello Biafra line).

Back to the main topic though. The way we live can not be good for the human psychology. If you get a good job you are in a 5 by 5 cubical staring at a screen all day. Even better you can deal with stress so much you get an ulsar.

Anyone the a problem here? It is like every year we give up more and get less back.

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Fleshy, I'm pretty sure McCarthy led the red scare.


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hmm, well all this is very interesting, but the point is, we can't do anything about the way our society is. one person can't make a difference. that's the way society is. now that i'm done with that, Scalli0n who do you think you are? you are the one who sounds like the english teacher. i'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but listen to yourself. leave the grammar to me
the mental illnesses in this country have gone up because they can now be treated. btw, violence has NOT gone up. It's actually gone down, but MEDIA COVERAGE of violence has gone up something like 600%. The number of guns in households has gone up. I agree with you learner that it's shit some guy who smokes pot goes to prison for 5 years and the monster who has raped 10 little girls can't even be convicted because of lack of evidence or they get off on some technicality. that may sound like 'guilty until proven innocent' but that's they way our society is now- adays. I totally don't get why your against bicycle safety. "OMG, I have to wear a helmet so I don't die if I get in a crash! How stupid!" Yes helmets look dumb but they save lives, same with seat belts. These laws may be limiting some freedoms, but I'm sure you wouldn't complain if your child was saved because he/she was mandatorally(made-up word) wearing a helmet. Maybe we should focus more on John "Hitler rules!" Ashcroft who trys to rip apart the Constitution on a regular basis. the fact people are killed because they are different is not something to be proud of. a sign of the advance of human civilization is that we now try to help these people live healthy lives instead of throwing them off a ravine. onto the point about taxes, in case you didn't know, a dollar was worth a lot more on or before 1776 than it is today. simply put, money was worth more. do you have a problem with the price of tea? i don't think a couple dollars is worth bitching about. the enlgish also had a sugar tax. do you have a problem with the price of sugar? what about income tax? it may be high, but its called taxation WITH representation. we know where our tax money goes. the english just took our tax money to line their pockets. our taxes go to government services and projects that help make our lives better in one way or another.
oh yeah, reality shows definetly suck a big one. its called a 'fad.' hopefully...
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Yep.. my bad. had that one switched around in my memory. Damn, been a long time since high school history class! thank you for pointing that out!

He pointed out communists and then took them trial. Most of them were convicted, but a lot of them weren't even communist. Scared people from commiting to the communist party for a long time.


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