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#4128 - 08/27/02 08:27 PM The Watermark  
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Rumor has it, the gov has something planned. It's some kind of watermark, it's hardware that will be put in all new computers. Companies have no choice but to use it. You can no longer burn cds, download mp3, movies, blah blah. Unless you pay a subscription or something... If you do the watermark device will turn of your system. Something like that, was talking to some friends. If you have heard about it, please tell me where and more about it. Just passing about what I heard. I heard what is gonna be done with TVs aswell. This I must say is bad for us in the future. As well the government can check up on us.. Blah blah, yet I know someone will be able to crack the system.


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#4129 - 08/27/02 09:21 PM Re: The Watermark  
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I think you might be confusing the government with Microsoft's proposed Palladium(i think) OS.
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#4130 - 08/27/02 11:06 PM Re: The Watermark  
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If thats what he's talking about, I dont think It will happen. It uses a chip on the motherboard of your computer implementing "public-key cryptography". This would create a new standard for the design of computers and what about open source *nix users? will they have to adapt their open source to be able to work on the new standard of motherboards to be produced by intel and AMD? (both intel and amd have already agreed to manufactuer hardware for microsofts new iniative.)

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/07/11/palladium/print.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25891.html

Personally i think its bullshit and people wont stand for this crap. Who wants a mchine that controls them? I like to have control of my machine.

#4131 - 08/28/02 12:27 AM Re: The Watermark  
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yes, i believe you are refering to microsoft's Palladium. i doubt it will become a reality, not because people understand the significance of microsoft owning your computer, but simply because people have no wish to give up their illegal music, porn, etc.


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#4132 - 08/28/02 03:07 AM Re: The Watermark  
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There we go, sorry, didn't know about it till I overhead today. I agree there will be some way to hack/crack it. The government is going to force it upon us. Yet I say it will be mighty hard, yet I also think it will never happen. BASTARD Palladium! LOL, it's our job of UGN people, if ever made to kill it... Eh lol.


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#4133 - 08/28/02 05:55 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Well... How about this... If the Government forces it upon us, we'll exercise our constitutional rights and start some local militias and kick the politicians out of office and ship them to Israel where they belong. Then we will start Democracy over again and elect Harry Brown president and everything will be good... You guys with me on this?

#4134 - 08/28/02 06:01 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Policeware, every OS is now required to run it, that includes windows, unix, os2, etc. Its to ensure that people stop pirating software and doing illegal activities.

Policeware isn't an idea anymore, it was passed in the law, so lookout for new operating systems, I'm not sure how they expect it to be on unix based operating systems since their all open source and the majority are not even located in the USA, which is why some hardware companies are going to step up to the plates.

I may not be 110% on the majority of this, but i know that policeware will be a reality soon, and i know that it was passed so theirs not that much i can be wrong on in this area.


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#4135 - 08/28/02 10:12 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Is this talkng about what you are talking about Gizzy?

http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/petition.html

#4136 - 08/28/02 12:48 PM Re: The Watermark  
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yesm... that petition is to over rule the original act that was signed :/, i think i signed it sometime


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#4137 - 08/28/02 01:11 PM Re: The Watermark  
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policeware is bullshit, we should find a way to crack it, it would b great to known for it . Stupid fucking pigs, i signed it as well.


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#4138 - 08/28/02 03:03 PM Re: The Watermark  
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/me signed... Gotta stupid the government from controlling us all... Any other things the gov has planned for us?


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#4139 - 08/28/02 09:58 PM Re: The Watermark  
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lol, what a bunch of pussies. i mean, instead of figuring out a better way to secure music, they just pressure the government to start this policeware crap? what a bunch of horse shit. if this becomes a reality, i will just not use a computer anymore. im not big on these anti-government speeches, but they are seriously infringing on freedom of expression and to exchange ideas freely. Im all for curse's idea of a militia although i dont know who Harry Brown is, if hes anti-big business im in. I hope in the future GWB well be regarded as the worst President ever.

#4140 - 08/29/02 12:37 AM Re: The Watermark  
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"i mean, instead of figuring out a better way to secure music, they just pressure the government to start this policeware crap?"

Well, it secures the music better than most other ideas, doensn't it?


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#4141 - 08/29/02 01:46 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Why not fuck the government over at their own game? Some one get the source for policeware, write a program that overwrites, or bypasses, or diverts it in some way. You know that if policeware is not open source there has to be a way around it.

#4142 - 08/29/02 03:44 AM Re: The Watermark  
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I don't think this will come in to effect, but if it does, what's to stop us from using old hardware and modified versions of linux that don't need that type of hardware?


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#4143 - 08/29/02 03:47 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Like a monopoly.... New games, music, hardware won't work on the machine... Even internet (prob)... They'll cut you off. If we can find a way to bypass the system... Then hooah... Hackers been doing this shit for years, we just gotta expand. Sometimes the way to beat the system is to be in the system (an inside scource). Maybe one day someone will know and it will leak out.


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#4144 - 08/29/02 04:30 AM Re: The Watermark  
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dashocker... Harry Brown was the Libertarian's Presidential Canidate last election. But the news media absolutely refuses to give him or the Libertarians any publicity, most likely due to the fact that people would like what they stand for and break the endless loop of only Republicans and Democrats holding the Presidential seat.

#4145 - 08/29/02 06:23 AM Re: The Watermark  
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good words curse the same thing also happened with that one old guy bucannon he only got very little publicity and they made fun of him. he tried to attend a presidential debate in massachutes last election and they would not let him talk prolly due to the fact that the ppl would like what he had to say... but republicans and democrats are the fukin same maby the ppl apart of it do not no but they are run by the same ppl and they both have the same agenda... need to kick all these fukin morons into some place like afganastan and let the old men rape them.. well i just brought this kinda off topic. haha


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#4146 - 08/29/02 08:12 AM Re: The Watermark  
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Actually if you're found with a cracked or removed copy of policeware its a violation :-/. best bet would be to get an old 10meg disk, reprogram it to read from that, and install win3.1 on it lol...


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#4147 - 08/29/02 03:02 PM Re: The Watermark  
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Well soon enough using such old PCs, OSes, etc... will to be a violation. What's the dif, most of the time we do something illegal (of some extent) here... It shall be learned, and conquered...


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#4148 - 08/29/02 06:21 PM Re: The Watermark  
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vote Gore 2004

#4149 - 08/29/02 09:53 PM Re: The Watermark  
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tbg your right. but thats not really prevention. its intolerance. which, as frequently demonstrated by our lovely educational system, suffices only to make incredible misjustice.
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#4150 - 08/29/02 10:54 PM Re: The Watermark  
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/me remembers the rumors Xun0 had IceDog spread around the last time he took his exit.

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#4151 - 08/30/02 12:06 AM Re: The Watermark  
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who cares if it is a violation to remove the policeware... if u cant get caught. Its illegal to dl pirated software, etc. and everyone still does it. and Xun0... gore is a puss, id go for libertarian or whatever the fuck.


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#4152 - 08/30/02 04:19 AM Re: The Watermark  
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LOL... do what you gotta do to survive. The government is gonna have a lot of violations... maybe they'll give up and realized it's a waste of fuckin $.


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