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#5314 - 12/16/03 08:35 PM Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Under a proposal by President Bush, more than 8 million workers might not be paid extra for the overtime hours they work. President Bush can make these changes through executive order, even over objections from Congress. Please show your support for overtime pay during the Overtime Pay National Week of Action by signing this petition.


http://www.saveovertimepay.org/index.cfm


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#5315 - 12/16/03 09:19 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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This is complete bullshit! I can't believe that bush would approve this shit! I mean damn, if I'm being forced to work an extra hour or up to 3 per day you better believe that I'm going to be getting my overtime! Most of us hate our jobs, it's torture bieng there longer than what you have to, all but that extra money, but this, dear lord..


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#5316 - 12/17/03 04:27 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I see he's still up to his dirty tricks! all he's doing is greasing the palms of his rich-ass friends, and buying votes from rich buisness owners!


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#5317 - 12/17/03 07:30 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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most families survive just
barley thanks to over-time pay. wtf man!! is he trying to srew this country over. shit he's already fucked our reputaion to the point of no salvation but make it so we can't earn our money!!! FUCK THAT AND FUCK YOU BUSH!!!!! if he had it his way there's be no tree's left cause they'd all be cashed in for money, he'd sell the USA to the highest bider, fuck....


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#5318 - 12/17/03 09:47 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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most families survive just
barley thanks to over-time pay. wtf man!! is he trying to srew this country over. shit he's already fucked our reputaion to the point of no salvation but make it so we can't earn our money!!! FUCK THAT AND FUCK YOU BUSH!!!!! if he had it his way there's be no tree's left cause they'd all be cashed in for money, he'd sell the USA to the highest bider, fuck....
He screwed the USA over the second he stepped into the white house! Thats why he has that shitty smirk on his face when he's on camera.


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#5319 - 12/17/03 03:53 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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i wonder why he studders every other word then when he has his whole speeh in front of him. guess he can't read just like he can't be a half-ass president.


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#5320 - 12/18/03 04:59 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Is there even any legit reason for this proposal? I mean, seriously? Bush is doing all he can to enact bills/laws/etc. to increase executive power and override Congress. Truly sad.

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#5321 - 12/18/03 05:17 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Is there even any legit reason for this proposal? I mean, seriously? Bush is doing all he can to enact bills/laws/etc. to increase executive power and override Congress. Truly sad.
Whats truly sad is the fact that Americans are letting him get by with this shit! Can you imagine another 4 years of this crap?


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#5322 - 12/18/03 06:05 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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Er... can someone please explain the "other side" to this story? I mean, I am not a fan of Bush, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy/President that would pass something like this.

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#5323 - 12/18/03 07:34 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I don't think hard working Americans care what his reasons are for doing this, all they know is that they are going to lose money thats helping keep food on their tables and paying their bills. As far as I can see, the only ones benefitting from this, is bush, and greedy buisness owners.


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#5324 - 12/18/03 11:02 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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i agree with jon on this. like i said b4, i prefer to hear both sides of the story. and you don't go taking away overtime without a good ass reason for it. i mean...you just can't.//


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#5325 - 12/18/03 11:34 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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the only reason i have heard from bush is that he wants to save big companies money but what he doesnt care about is the fact that he's going to fuck over the rest of the country.

put it this way: if the average person makes $7/hr and work 40hrs a week in 1 week so that means they make $280 and that's before taxes after taxes it's $196. but if that peson does 5 hours of over time they'll make a total of $332.50 before taxes and $232.75 after taxes. but with out that over time pay for 45 hrs of work they would only get $315 before taxes and $220.50 after. that's $12.15 less when lossing time and a half pay though some places pay double time and a half. but in this country every penny counts. that's $12.15 more for bills, cloths, food, education... as the hours add up so does the money lost and so is time lost from ur family.

what if some one works 50 hrs a week at $7hr. that's $245 with out over time with over time pay it jumps to $269.50. that's $24.50 more.

do ya get my point? i hope so...


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#5326 - 12/18/03 03:03 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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jesus.. do you guys even read anything about this? while i agree that overall the bill isn't the best, but damn, there are some very good things in it. it "would require overtime for workers earning up to $22,100 a year, up from the current ceiling of $8,060." how can you tell me that's a bad thing? it would also "provide modest increases over last year for low-income school districts, AIDS treatment, Head Start, job training and biomedical research at the National Institutes of Health"


and this effecting 8 million people? the Labor Department said the real figure is closer to 644,000. now, that is a huge difference.

"The regulations would not affect workers covered by union contract, but the Labor Department says as many as 22 million jobs may be covered by the new rules. The Bush administration furthermore says the rules will only affect salaried, white-collar office workers who do not perform manual labor"


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#5327 - 12/18/03 03:59 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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ah, thank you fleshwound. i knew there ahd to be another side to it.//


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#5328 - 12/18/03 05:05 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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and you think bush is really going to do this to help. when was the last time he actually went through with what he said (besides saddam's capture, that was bound to happen with out with out his stupidity)....


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#5329 - 12/18/03 09:12 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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jesus.. do you guys even read anything about this? while i agree that overall the bill isn't the best, but damn, there are some very good things in it. it "would require overtime for workers earning up to $22,100 a year, up from the current ceiling of $8,060." how can you tell me that's a bad thing? it would also "provide modest increases over last year for low-income school districts, AIDS treatment, Head Start, job training and biomedical research at the National Institutes of Health"


and this effecting 8 million people? the Labor Department said the real figure is closer to 644,000. now, that is a huge difference.

"The regulations would not affect workers covered by union contract, but the Labor Department says as many as 22 million jobs may be covered by the new rules. The Bush administration furthermore says the rules will only affect salaried, white-collar office workers who do not perform manual labor"
However Fleshy,
The bill is writen in a way that many tech jobs can be classed into a "white collard position" or management position. Verizon for example has a center in the west where everyone is a manager. Some have people under them and some do not. This means that they can avoid paying overtime to these people.

Of course the bill intends to do good, but as with many poorly writen bills this one is dangerous. This bill was voted down already by Both houses in congress, the bush administration is trying to sneeak it in using less traditional means now.


An example below

http://www.theadvertiser.com/business/html/E8DA9EEF-9871-4AAF-A485-C5EBD8B69624.shtml

Mislowski, a 33-year employee of the Piggly Wiggly supermarket chain, supervises two other workers as the manager of the meat department at a store in Appleton. He earns about $100 in overtime each pay period by working a sixth day every other week.

What makes the debate so confusing for many is that workers like Mislowski are subject to several possible tests under the proposed rule one for white-collar employees making $65,000, another for executives and yet another for administrative workers. Other occupations also have a test for defining a professional. If a worker passes one of the tests, he can be judged to be exempt from overtime.

the above was taken from a random news site.


I am a union worker. I see it like this also. CWA communications workers of america oppose this. Now they get a % of my paycheck every week. If I get overtime, they get a cut. If this bill was for us, CWA would not object. Because I get more money, they get more money.

http://www.cwa-legis-pol.org/

They seem to follow the bills being passed that affect working americans pretty closely here. Of course they are in the buissness of hyping things up and recruiting members so I read other sources too. But this is a good place to see new bills.


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#5330 - 12/18/03 11:48 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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hey sin tax, i wasn't trying to say it's all good. i just had to point out a few things that were not mentioned about the bill. this is taken from that article you posted: "Only about 644,000 workers earning above-average wages would lose overtime pay, while a larger group of 1.3 million low-wage workers earning less than $425 a week would get a new guarantee of overtime eligibility"


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#5331 - 12/24/03 04:54 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I say let him do it. He's just digging his own grave in the next election.

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#5332 - 12/24/03 10:34 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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I say let him do it. He's just digging his own grave in the next election.
I agree 100%.


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#5333 - 12/25/03 05:32 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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yeah he's digging grave for not only himself but also america's. bush can go fuck a duck!!!


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#5334 - 12/26/03 05:40 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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bush can go fuck a duck!!!
If he does, then he can be impeached on beastiality charges, and cruelty to animals. <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />


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#5335 - 12/26/03 09:19 PM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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sweet, then he needs to hury up and do so and get the fuck out of office...


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#5336 - 12/27/03 06:04 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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If he gets elected again...I think I am going to move to canada....or switzerland.... Someone is going to nuke us. I don't think most americans or the world can take much more this. can feel the radiation already!!

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#5337 - 12/27/03 08:00 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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bush can go fuck a duck!!!
If he does, then he can be impeached on beastiality charges, and cruelty to animals. <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />
ROTFLMAO!


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#5338 - 12/27/03 08:02 AM Re: Help save overtime pay and protect the 40 hrs work week in the US
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sweet, then he needs to hury up and do so and get the fuck out of office...
I couldn't agree more.


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