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#11775 - 11/15/05 01:44 PM Re: learning
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HTML takes a while depending on what you want to do. HTML concepts are simple and easy to grasp. Learning what tags do what can take time. Learning what is poor coding vs good coding takes time. For example nested table make make your job easier but are a no no and 1 table should be used. This makes for lighter code and will most likey display the same in all browsers. Where as nested table are heavier code and may not be supported in off browsers.

Frames and iFrames may also take time to learn.

Now getting to PHP, JSP, ASP Perl, Ruby, C, python , Java, C++, D, god knows what else

These take much time. I have been learning PHP or about 3 years now. Still learning. There is so much you can do with it.

For example.
You can create images on the fly in PHP.

Now you might say whay would I want to do that. Well picture a server with people surfing to it all day and night. You want to log this info. Like IP address, number of page requests, number of hits per day, week, month etc. Now you are getting 1,000 hits per day you find. This is a bit of info to read through.

To solve this you decide to take the IP and just add a counter to it like so

Code:
+=================================================
|ip address     hits     page request    refferer 
+=================================================
|192.38.24.1    100      24             http://www.undergroundnews.com
|168.234.17.5   10       2              http://www.google.com
|146.77.183.93  139      13              http://www.hotbot.com
+=================================================
Now wouldn't it be nice to see this laid out graphicaly. But to do that you would need to create the images on the fly. That is do the math then plot the pie chart or bar chart. Then you could visualy see the % each visitor made toward total network traffic.

That is just image creation. In that you have to learn the functions for EACH supported image type.

There is also GUI coding with GTK(gimp tool kit(yes that is the name and no I am not fucking with you))http://www.gtk.org/
PHP/GTK can create nice GUI apps for windows, Linux or any OS that allows either to be installed.

Now you have to learn PHP AND GTK.
http://gtk.php.net/

Or maybe you want to stor and process data. For this you may want to use a flat file system.
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.file.php

Or maybe a data base, but which one
MySQL - http://us2.php.net/mysql
SyBase - http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.sybase.php
SQLlite - http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.sqlite.php
PostgreSQL - http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.pgsql.php

Or maybe you want to create flash animations on the fly. That is have them created when a page loads.
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.swf.php

See the thing is, no one learns everything about a language at least not in todays time. There is soooo much to learn to say I want to learn is a endless statement. The learning doesn't stop. A new version of the language or program will come out and you will have to refresh, or you will want to do something you have not yet done and there for will have to learn more.

Now I am fairly good with PHP. I really am, but I probably do not know half of the shit that I can do with it.

Pergesu is pretty good with Java, but he is still learning more. Gizmo is a god in Perl, but he still finds new ways to do things. Digital Geek is a photoshop Guru but he is still learning new techniques.

So you see when you say how long it is really a relative question. What do you want to do? What language, app, database? How good do you want to be with it? What are you hoping to accomplish? How fast can you read and retain what you read?

These are all question you need to ask yourself and answer your self. Then you will have an idea. YOu will see, once you start, you will have more questions and more to read. It never stops.
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#11776 - 11/15/05 05:55 PM Re: learning
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ok well if i were to like to become a programmer for the military or some shit like that what all would i need to learn? i kno ill need to come pretty profecient with things like anti spyware and anti virus stuff, but i dont really know where to begin my great journey . i already know basic html and im learning xhtml and vb but i still when i google things i cant seem to find what i am searching for "ex. how to do anti spyware stuff and stuff like that" all i get is buy this program here and blah, blah, blah... but im not finding things like how to make anti anything and im not trying to say im smart by any means i do do well in school but it just bored me so its like i dont have a challange and when there is something out there that there is always someone who will find a different way to break into a comp that just facinates me. i dont want to hack myself only because i dont want to go to jail but i would like to make things that deal with anti hacking and such. the problem is i really have no idea where to start looking, i mean there and multipul millions of different websites to search through and i cant get to them all but i want to try this anti-hacking thing out, so could u maybee tell me a way where i can learn to anti-hack, anti-spyware, or anti-virus things so i can still get the semi joy of hacking w/o it being illegal?

thx
PS i dont mind hacking in the least i just dont want to go to jail for doing it
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#11777 - 11/15/05 06:32 PM Re: learning
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If you're wanting to learn to "code for the millitary" you're up shits creek; i highly doubt they'd care about "web languages"; they're more care about C++ and "program" codingp, even then i doubt you'd go anywhere near code (ever).

If you're wanting to learn web languages we have a lot of info shoved in the Web Design forum at:
http://www.undergroundnews.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi/forum/14.html?
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#11778 - 11/16/05 09:20 AM Re: learning
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what about just like learning to do antihacking, antispyware, and anti virus stuff?
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#11779 - 11/16/05 09:43 AM Re: learning
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Loc: Canada
Speaking from experience if you want to work in the Military on computers, in computer security and such as I do, they look for certifications and degrees. For Example

- CCNA : Cisco Certified Network Associate
- CCDA : Cisco Certified Design Associate
- CCIP : Cisco Certified Internetwork Professional
- CCSP : Cisco Certified Security Professional
- MCSE : Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
- CISSP : Certified Information Systems Security Professionals
- Knowledge of SQL Programming Language
- Knowledge of Basic Programming

- A Computer Engineering Degree would defiently be beneficial

This is what the Canadian Army looks for in computer specialists now I presume that the American Army is pretty much the same. The problem is you have to be willing to start at the bottom because there are a wealth of people with vast knowledge in these fields that have the best positions.

Keep in mind im not saying that you MUST have ALL these things to be able to work in computers for the military but you do indeed need to have at least a couple and the Military will train you in the rest if neccesary.
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#11780 - 11/16/05 03:55 PM Re: learning
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No one gives half a shit about anti virus and anti spyware; the antihacking one may get you somewhere but comeon man, you're a dolt and no one can stand you in the first place...

Get yourself a CCNA and MCSE and you'll be some use as a "Guru" of sorts; get yourself a Zend Certification and you'll proove to everyone you can learn anything (as you'd be the most anal retentive php programmer in existance)
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#11781 - 11/16/05 05:35 PM Re: learning
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well im sorry but i am only in high school so is it still possible to get all those things? and i know that i am a dolt in computer stuff but thats y i came here so i could ask people who know what their doing and so they could help/point me in the right direction to get started on that sort of thing early
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#11782 - 11/17/05 04:43 PM Re: learning
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I think you should take Gizmo's original advice. Seriously.


Quote:
Originally posted by Gizmo:
Quote:
Originally posted by littleman:
damn i still dont understand it but w/e and since phreaking is basically dead is there something like it that i might wanna try and learn instead?
Proper English perhaps?
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#11783 - 11/17/05 10:42 PM Re: learning
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Registered: 06/16/03
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Ok, littleman, you've been told this before and i'll tell you one last time.

We are NOT here to provide you with every little detail of everything you want to know. Those of us who know what you want to know have put time and energy into learning. You come here, repeatedly asking the same questions, and recieving the same responses. Take a hint maybe.

We're SICK of the same questions over and over again. We're SICK of 'pointing you in the right direction'. We're SICK of your unwillingless to properly convey ideas with spelling, punctuation, and grammar. We're SICK of your unwillingless to learn on your own.

Keep asking these questions and you're going to start experiencing some login problems.

Get a will to learn or give up.

Locked.
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