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#11784 - 07/01/02 04:03 PM Good Scanner
Teklock1 Offline
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Registered: 06/23/02
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Loc: Buffalo NY
Hey does anyone know of any good frequency scanner, like the police scanners and how to modify it to listen to phone conversations? Any help would be appreciated, have some money that I want to spend, and would rather do it on something fun. Thanx

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#11785 - 07/01/02 05:11 PM Re: Good Scanner
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i said something about it in a post alil while ago. I have a police scanner but it only handles frequencies from old cordless phones. I dunno anything about modifying them tho.
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#11786 - 07/09/02 04:53 PM Re: Good Scanner
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Registered: 03/06/02
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Well, Anything that is made in the US and is not at least 4 years old is virtually impossible to get the Cell phone band... But if you can listen to the 900mhz band you pick up phone calls.... I have a Yaesu Vx-5r Tranceiver (I got a ham radio liscence)

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#11787 - 07/09/02 09:57 PM Re: Good Scanner
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Neo, you can on your radio, but its some tough work... With software mods you can get i think half of the range, but the other is impossible...
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#11788 - 04/08/03 04:01 AM Re: Good Scanner
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Registered: 04/08/03
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Loc: CA, USA
I played around with my scanner for a while (Pro 2045) to see if it was feasible to modify it...it is very possible.

The Pro 2045, and all modern scanners with a wide frequency range use a PLL (Phase Lock Loop) to generate the local signal...back up...

Radio signal comes to the radio as elecromagnetic waves. The antenna detects either the electrical or magnetic part of the wave (loop antenna gets magnetic). In either case, it is converted to an electrical signal at the "feedpoint" of the antenna. This signal is first filtered to get rid of any undesired frequencies.
The "front end" (right after the antenna) filtering on mine was dynamic, as in, the frequency response of the filter would change so that only a small range/band of frequencies around could pass through ("band pass" filter). This poses the first problem.
The signal is then amplified and mixed with a signal from the LO ("local oscillator"). When sine waves mix, they add and subtract, depending on which part of the wave is mixed (peak or troff). If you have a sine wave with a frequency of 1000 cycles per second, and another with 1500 cycles per second, and mix them, the resulting signal will have sine waves with the difference of the waves (500 cycles per second), the original waves, and the sum of the waves (2500 cycles per second).
So, if you have a 900MHz signal, you can mix a 890MHz (could use 910MHz) signal with a "mixer" and get a 10MHz signal with all the original information still in it.
So, you have a signal from the antenna (lets say 900MHz), and you have an amplifier and demodulator that wants a 10MHz signal (this can be called the "IF", or Intermediate Frequency) because that's what they were designed for (these aren't usually dynamic). How do you get your 10MHz signal? Well, mix a 890MHz signal, generated by the LO, with it. This poses the second problem.
Say we want to recieve a 500MHz signal now. Well, if our IF is still 10MHz, we would mix a 490MHz or 510MHz signal with it.

***So, all that changes when your scanning through the frequencies is the LO AND the filter at the front end. So, all you have to do is change the LO .

On pretty much all modern (and old) radio equipment uses something called a PLL (Phase Loop Lock) to generate the LO signal. A PLL is just a thing that multiplies a "reference" frequency (usually from a crystal because of their very high stability) by some amount. This multiplication *is software controlled* by data pins on the PLL chip! What does this mean!? Well...if you wanted...you could take COMPLETE control of the PLL and the signals that it makes! What does THAT mean!? Since your radio always needs a constant IF (well, changes depending on band) you can recieve pretty much ANY frequency you want by setting the PLL to 10MHz (or whatever the IF is) above (or below) the frequency you want to recieve! Yeah!

Like I mentioned, the first problem is the front end. It is ALSO software controlled. The radio COULD be designed to block the cell and other frequencies by making it impossible to pass those frequencies through because of the values of the components that make the filter.. Why can't we control those you ask? Well...you can...it's just hard and requires a *very stable*, and usually very small DC voltage.
I injected a range of frequencies into my scanner to see what frequencies the bandpass filter passed...and there was a small null in the part of the cell area, but not that bad. The radio just had to be set to a frequency close to the desired freq. If I remember correctly, lower was better. So, this isn't that bad of a problem.

So...if you wanted...you could download the datasheet for the PLL in your scanner...wire up some wires from the parallel port on your computer (the PLL in mine only required 8 or so lines) and write up a little program in QBasic or something to control your scanner to a certain extent...at least enough to get "blocked" frequencies.

I haven't done it yet because of lack of time and I have no motivation to listen to peoples crappy conversations which I do much to often while shopping for groceries at the store. I'm more interested in the lower frequencies...which is more of a challenge (front end filter drops of at ~28M).

I drew up the front end filter schematics from the parts on the board...so if the front end filter was giving any trouble...it would be easy to "fix" it (just change a value).

Jeeze...didn't mean to write so much...

Any questions?
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#11789 - 04/08/03 10:50 AM Re: Good Scanner
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Just a comment, can you paraphraise next time lol... your paragraphs suck, it looks like you copied it out of an old text file how it runs together on my monitor... did i mention that I had add? lol...
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#11790 - 04/08/03 02:51 PM Re: Good Scanner
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Registered: 04/08/03
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Loc: CA, USA
It's all me...
I was just VERY tired, cause it was 2:30 in the morning, and I'm not used to staying up that late.
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#11791 - 06/19/03 11:41 PM Re: Good Scanner
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Registered: 06/19/03
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i still pick up allot of telephone convo on my scanner. Most of it's on the lower frequency 15-50hz with 2ghz and 3ghz phones available it makes it very expensive to want to listen to the same boring convo i hear. Police activity is allot more intersting. Is there one thing particular that you're trying to target? Victim??
You need to know what type of phone that they are using. If you see them on the phone outside the house pay attention to the phone. if it looks newer its harder if its older it shouldn't be a problem. start with the low frequncied. i listen to my neighbors convos all the time. Sometime its some interesting stuff, sex,dating,drugs,church, all types os stuff
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#11792 - 07/21/03 10:19 AM Re: Good Scanner
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Registered: 03/04/02
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Loc: Austraila
On my cordless phone all i have to do is switch it off at the wall and leave the hand peice on, and i kan pick up heaps of peoples covos all the time?
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