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#3029 - 09/19/02 02:07 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/16/02
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i don't want a war, and i do not believe one is currently necessary, but i do find it suspicious that iraq won't let weapons inspectors in. i believe they have agreed to let some weapons inspectors from other countries come in, thus i would lay back for the moment and make a decision based on the outcome of that.
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#3030 - 09/19/02 03:32 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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SR, you're right, the British were the ones that ultimately started this. They promised both the Jews and Arabs land in Palestine to fight on their side. When the war ended, they couldn't deliver, so they just split it up. This is what caused the latest of fights. (There had been more before). The US then got involved later on. But before WWI, it was the British who tryed to control the world and did the exact same thing the US are doing right now.
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#3031 - 09/19/02 04:41 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/04/02
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ohfuk: "and SR, in policing the world, were the by far the most involved."

Your point? You think I don't know this? /me looks around. anybody living under a rock here? I think as the most powerful country in the world, that there is some responsibility in pressuring countries like Iraq to let weapon inspectors in - and to help prevent one nation from smacking another one off the face of the earth. So sue us if we're human and things get carried too far. So what if there are some bad motives mixed along with the good. Shove the fuck off people. We're not Jesus fucking Christ our Lord Savior.

If it wasn't us, it'd be somebody else. You should be counting your blessings we're not conquering the world.
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#3032 - 09/19/02 04:57 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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oh sorry SR, i forgot that you arnt as fucking stupid as the rest of the god damn world, there was a chance that you thought that this was a world effort when it isnt at all. and as the self declared most powerful nation on earth, i agree with you, if we dont act like cops, then the middle east might end up hating each other as much as they hate us and blow this planet into many different planets. so yes, we should be cops and if we have to pull out the beating sticks to get our point across then so be it.

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#3033 - 09/19/02 05:13 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/01/02
Posts: 860
Loc: KCRQ
I'd like to know where ohfuk gets his political information...and how old are ya there bud?

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#3034 - 09/19/02 05:38 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 08/31/02
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eh, good point. if i ever say anything that makes little to no sence tell me and ill stfu

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#3035 - 09/19/02 05:46 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/02/02
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Loc: Ann Arbor
consider yourself told

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#3036 - 09/19/02 07:39 PM Re: War in Iraq?
Le4rner Offline
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Registered: 03/05/02
Posts: 562
Take it easy on ole ohfuk... I'm not one to usally stand up for peeps, but he is new to the board involved in a political debate. Hell of a way to start. Cut him some slack.

Quote:

/me snickers at what Learner said
Yea SR the Israelie army is no joke. They use women as snipers because thier breathing is better than most men. Pretty hardcore. However there was no Israel till after WWII.

This is all my interperutation here...

See all the white people felt bad for all the dead jews. So they said hey, lets give them something. Alright all you arab people get off this land. This belongs to the Jews. Yea yea yea, your holy land. Nah it's thiers now.

See people tend to get the ass when you boot them off thier land. But boot them off thier holy land... I guess they figured it worked with american indians... Anyway

There never was an Israel befor WWII. Well there was but many centuries ago. Now add to that white boys keep going over there to "keep the peace".

People these people have fought for generations. This is what they do.

Check it out, Many U.S. Generals after any major war get depressed. Why? Because that is how they feel useful. Now imagine many nations with this mentality. Don't belive me? Rent the Movie Patton. Read up on any WWII General. Few went on to polotics. Many died soon after the war.

BinLaden knows war. That is it. He has learned studyed and planed war all of his adult life. Same with many of his followers.

He might even think he wants peace. But he will allwas find conflict.

Sadam Husien is a sick twisted fuck.

He used to torture his kids. Starve them, force them to watch torture movies. Force them to beat prisoners to death. They grew up to be well rounded people right? They are generals in his army.

Sadam was train by the U.S. Aint that a kick in the pants. Stingers are manufactured by the U.S. arms companies. Iraq has plenty of them. The fact of the matter is... We made a mess over there. It is time to clean it up.

Life isn't allways fair to everyone. Sadam's kids need to die so they do not come into power. Sadam needs to Die at the hands of his own people. (Or it needs to look that way)

These are the nasty details that happen that keep you safe at your home with mommy and daddy. There are ugly things in the world that our government must do to stay on top. Now do you want to stay on top? Or do you want to be a bleeding heart liberal and go to Iraq and tell them how much you understand?

Fuck them! If you don't like it... Don't watch the news. That is the way of the world. Our nation is on top in power and strength. To not kick ass after 9/11 weakens that power and strength.

Think of the world and it's leaders like the kids on the playground. Let the bully beat you up what happens? It spreads till no one respects you. Childish? Yup, but that is how it works. Read up on Regan and how many countries fucked with him and what happened to them. Read up on the terrorist prisoners held captive till the day he was elected.

Power and firmness speeks volumes about how the worl treats your nation.
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#3037 - 10/10/02 01:30 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 08/28/02
Posts: 2
Loc: Tampa, FL
It is real simple:
Have one Trident SSBN launch one missile with five or six warheads.
Everyone knows if you heat sand up you will get glass.
So after the Nukes turn Iraq into a glass parking lot we can go over,
make a nice cut into the glass put oil rig with a seal around it and start pumping.
If we have a spill the oil will run onto the glass where it can be cleaned up and save the environment.
Now everybody will be happy:
Bush – Saddam is gone.
Bush – all his buddy’s get more oil.
Environmentalist – if there is an oil spill it will not sink into the ground water.
Me – cheaper gas.
Navy – they get to op-check the sub and missile launch system.

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#3038 - 10/10/02 01:45 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 08/28/02
Posts: 2
Loc: Tampa, FL
Le4rner - FYI you can blame England for most of it, below is a little reading on how it started and why it is still going on:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/history/index.html

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#3039 - 10/10/02 07:38 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/01/02
Posts: 860
Loc: KCRQ
/me just stares at Mad Max

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#3040 - 10/10/02 08:52 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 10/08/02
Posts: 955
Loc: Merrill, IA, USA
OK. Trying to recollect what I know

IRAN-IRAQ war
US knows that we need to crush IRAN before they can take over the oil-producing countries that are with us.

We give IRAQ large amounts of ammo, helicopters, etc.

IRAQ also "just happens" to request biochemical samples such as sarin, anthrax, etc. (Pretty much the ones bush listed that we KNOW they have). The US gave these to IRAQ w/o questions.

We also provided IRAQ with satellite photos of IRAN that would show exactly where the troops were.

These helicopters supposedly given to fight the war, were also used to gas thousands of Kurds. The US attempted to blame this on IRAN, until it was revealed our satellites also took images of IRAQ doing it.

So we see that the US gave Saddam the power, the weaponry, the biochemical weapons, and accepted terrorism b/c they did not want to lose a precious oil location.

So I think the whole terrorism slant to this is bullshit. The US performs terrorism all the time, and they have accepted a great many countries that have done it also.

We are attacking IRAQ b/c Bush has to do what his daddy didn't. Also, I think by the time "we" (Bush) are done, the Middle East will have even more corrupt leaders and instability.

Why? Just like with Bin Laden, the US will look for someone that can serve our needs and not the needs of the people. We don't care how unjust a ruler might be, as long as he can be bought by us.

Oh yeah, IRAQ also caught previous UN weapon inspectors @ restricted places, and later discovered the US had actually planted spy's as UN inspectors. The source for this was 2 previous IRAQ UN inspectors

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#3041 - 10/10/02 10:01 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/05/02
Posts: 562
US also trained, and financed Bin Laden during the Russian opcupation of Afganistan. It's kinda funny that we got to these countrys to fight them for being "terrorists" and we see our weapons aimed at us. Also I find it odd that Bush had planed on removing the Afganistan government before 9/11 for political friendly enviroment for the oil pipe line he is now building through Afganistan to avoid IRAN.

I would love to know why 3,000 jewish workers did not go to work in the WTC on 9/11. I also want to know why no one can truely confirm who the terrorists were in the planes.

So now we fight another musslim nation. A "terrorist state". We empowered Sadam to the position he is in now. As jonconley said above, we gave them all the weapons and training that we are now saying he is using for evil.

I don't trust the Bush administration for a second anymore. Did you know Ashcroft had a commercial flight the day of 9/11, but last minute changed it to a more expensive private commuter flight?

I know paranioa runs rampant on the net.... But honestly people... I smell smoke. Lets look at things shall we,

early on in the bush administration they decided they wanted to run an oil pipe through afganistan. But realised the government in power then would tell them to get bent. They decided they would have to over throw the government. Before 9/11 think anyone would have let that happen? After 9/11 Bush never mentioned he already had planed to do this. Now he addmits it? 9/11 seems like a political god send dosen't it?

fast forward to 9/11. Ashcroft has a flight that day. Lst minute he pay much more money to change to a private commuter flight. First people rounded up cheering as the WTC fell were Isrealies. Later found to be Spy's for the Isrealie government. Fox and CNN ran the story only to pull it later due to the government classifying the info.

FBI, CIA, NSA get loads of power and no longer have to ask to spy on ANYONE. Bush gets to finish daddys work. And now we are building that pipe line.

For such a tragedy many are coming out well.
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#3042 - 10/10/02 10:02 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/02/02
Posts: 96
Loc: Iowa
JON WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN MO FO glad your still here, ko yes, war on iraq..hmmm ya its gonna happen.
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#3043 - 10/10/02 10:50 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Registered: 03/02/02
Posts: 109
"I would love to know why 3,000 jewish workers did not go to work in the WTC on 9/11."
Tell me you were'nt serious.

" First people rounded up cheering as the WTC fell were Isrealies. Later found to be Spy's for the Isrealie government. Fox and CNN ran the story only to pull it later due to the government classifying the info."
I won't bother arguing this because you know what I'll say, but I'm curious, where the hell do you get this shitty information?
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