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#4128 - 08/27/02 04:27 PM The Watermark
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Rumor has it, the gov has something planned. It's some kind of watermark, it's hardware that will be put in all new computers. Companies have no choice but to use it. You can no longer burn cds, download mp3, movies, blah blah. Unless you pay a subscription or something... If you do the watermark device will turn of your system. Something like that, was talking to some friends. If you have heard about it, please tell me where and more about it. Just passing about what I heard. I heard what is gonna be done with TVs aswell. This I must say is bad for us in the future. As well the government can check up on us.. Blah blah, yet I know someone will be able to crack the system.
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#4129 - 08/27/02 05:21 PM Re: The Watermark
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I think you might be confusing the government with Microsoft's proposed Palladium(i think) OS.
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#4130 - 08/27/02 07:06 PM Re: The Watermark
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If thats what he's talking about, I dont think It will happen. It uses a chip on the motherboard of your computer implementing "public-key cryptography". This would create a new standard for the design of computers and what about open source *nix users? will they have to adapt their open source to be able to work on the new standard of motherboards to be produced by intel and AMD? (both intel and amd have already agreed to manufactuer hardware for microsofts new iniative.)

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/07/11/palladium/print.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25891.html

Personally i think its bullshit and people wont stand for this crap. Who wants a mchine that controls them? I like to have control of my machine.

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#4131 - 08/27/02 08:27 PM Re: The Watermark
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yes, i believe you are refering to microsoft's Palladium. i doubt it will become a reality, not because people understand the significance of microsoft owning your computer, but simply because people have no wish to give up their illegal music, porn, etc.
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#4132 - 08/27/02 11:07 PM Re: The Watermark
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There we go, sorry, didn't know about it till I overhead today. I agree there will be some way to hack/crack it. The government is going to force it upon us. Yet I say it will be mighty hard, yet I also think it will never happen. BASTARD Palladium! LOL, it's our job of UGN Security people, if ever made to kill it... Eh lol.
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#4133 - 08/28/02 01:55 AM Re: The Watermark
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Well... How about this... If the Government forces it upon us, we'll exercise our constitutional rights and start some local militias and kick the politicians out of office and ship them to Israel where they belong. Then we will start Democracy over again and elect Harry Brown president and everything will be good... You guys with me on this?

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#4134 - 08/28/02 02:01 AM Re: The Watermark
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Policeware, every OS is now required to run it, that includes windows, unix, os2, etc. Its to ensure that people stop pirating software and doing illegal activities.

Policeware isn't an idea anymore, it was passed in the law, so lookout for new operating systems, I'm not sure how they expect it to be on unix based operating systems since their all open source and the majority are not even located in the USA, which is why some hardware companies are going to step up to the plates.

I may not be 110% on the majority of this, but i know that policeware will be a reality soon, and i know that it was passed so theirs not that much i can be wrong on in this area.
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#4135 - 08/28/02 06:12 AM Re: The Watermark
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Is this talkng about what you are talking about Gizzy?

http://www.petitiononline.com/SSSCA/petition.html

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#4136 - 08/28/02 08:48 AM Re: The Watermark
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yesm... that petition is to over rule the original act that was signed :/, i think i signed it sometime
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#4137 - 08/28/02 09:11 AM Re: The Watermark
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policeware is bullshit, we should find a way to crack it, it would b great to known for it . Stupid fucking pigs, i signed it as well.
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#4138 - 08/28/02 11:03 AM Re: The Watermark
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/me signed... Gotta stupid the government from controlling us all... Any other things the gov has planned for us?
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#4139 - 08/28/02 05:58 PM Re: The Watermark
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lol, what a bunch of pussies. i mean, instead of figuring out a better way to secure music, they just pressure the government to start this policeware crap? what a bunch of horse shit. if this becomes a reality, i will just not use a computer anymore. im not big on these anti-government speeches, but they are seriously infringing on freedom of expression and to exchange ideas freely. Im all for curse's idea of a militia although i dont know who Harry Brown is, if hes anti-big business im in. I hope in the future GWB well be regarded as the worst President ever.

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#4140 - 08/28/02 08:37 PM Re: The Watermark
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"i mean, instead of figuring out a better way to secure music, they just pressure the government to start this policeware crap?"

Well, it secures the music better than most other ideas, doensn't it?
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#4141 - 08/28/02 09:46 PM Re: The Watermark
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Registered: 08/20/02
Posts: 6
Loc: Ohio
Why not fuck the government over at their own game? Some one get the source for policeware, write a program that overwrites, or bypasses, or diverts it in some way. You know that if policeware is not open source there has to be a way around it.

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#4142 - 08/28/02 11:44 PM Re: The Watermark
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I don't think this will come in to effect, but if it does, what's to stop us from using old hardware and modified versions of linux that don't need that type of hardware?
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