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#5784 - 01/11/06 06:09 PM discourse 2
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this is addressed to everyone but ice

lets try and get along here. just b/c some people dont like U2 doesnt mean it has to get ugly or for people to freak out

now for real ... discourse

I am debating at my school whether or not Intelligent design should be taught in high schools. what do you guys think? this relates directly to discourse/education as a whole, i think its pretty interesting

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#5785 - 01/11/06 06:25 PM Re: discourse 2
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evolution is obvoiusly the way to go here. has supporting evidence as opposed to none for intel design.

a counter-arg could be where is the missing link then? we've got apes and then humans. where's the in-between part? that's a question that's always boggled my mind

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#5786 - 01/11/06 06:40 PM Re: discourse 2
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here in the usa it is unconstitional to teach anything but evolution. personally i do believe in both and if people opened their eyes they could meet at a middle point and agree that there was more to the "big bang" and the fact that evolution isnt trying to discount god but the fact that god started things and set us on our course to take shape on our own.
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#5787 - 01/11/06 06:45 PM Re: discourse 2
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I like that argument, actually. It makes a lot of sense. However, in a debate round, frank's ass would probably get kicked, as taking the middle ground usually does you no good. however, outside of debates like that, i think that idea is the most effective way to go.

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#5788 - 01/11/06 07:00 PM Re: discourse 2
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Sometimes the middle ground is the right one due to the fact that both sides can be right when you work the 2 together.
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#5789 - 01/11/06 07:11 PM Re: discourse 2
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I think that it is retarded not to teach both sides of the issue, saying that some people believe that god influenced evolution, or that god created everything, and then saying yet other people believe in pure evolution is not a conflict of intrest between church and state, as long as the teacher does not try to impose thier personal beliefs on the students. The problem comes in that all teachers try to impose thier beliefs on students to some extent. I think it is unfair to students to not get all sides of an issue or subject and that by keeoping this discussion out of the classroom you are doing a diservice. If the students want to debate the issue that is great as long as the teachers remain facilitators and not inject thier beliefs into the discussion, just ensure that the student discussion doesn't digress into a yelling match.
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#5790 - 01/11/06 07:13 PM Re: discourse 2
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correct. and, in a court ruling, they have declared that ID is legit to teach in classes b/c it is non secular. Also, teaching is different than instituting a church, therefore it does not violate the first amendment

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#5791 - 01/11/06 07:18 PM Re: discourse 2
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correct. and, in a court ruling, they have declared that ID is legit to teach in classes b/c it is non secular. Also, teaching is different than instituting a church, therefore it does not violate the first amendment

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#5792 - 01/11/06 07:21 PM Re: discourse 2
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there are those people though (such as athists) who dont believe in inteligent design and see it has a form of forcing religion on them (and i speak this as a person who grew up in a very strict roman catholic family that shoved it down my throght)...
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#5793 - 01/11/06 07:27 PM Re: discourse 2
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sorry to get off topic ... but this has been mentioned a couple of times and im confused

whats going on with this whole people gettign banned previously for a u2 fight?

I know Ice mentioned it, and then paul did in the one where lafonda got in trouble

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#5794 - 01/11/06 07:28 PM Re: discourse 2
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sorry to get off topic ... but this has been mentioned a couple of times and im confused

whats going on with this whole people gettign banned previously for a u2 fight?

I know Ice mentioned it, and then paul did in the one where lafonda got in trouble

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#5795 - 01/11/06 07:30 PM Re: discourse 2
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sorry to get off topic ... but this has been mentioned a couple of times and im confused

whats going on with this whole people gettign banned previously for a u2 fight?

I know Ice mentioned it, and then paul did in the one where lafonda got in trouble

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#5796 - 01/11/06 07:50 PM Re: discourse 2
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Moved to debate.
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#5797 - 01/11/06 08:05 PM Re: discourse 2
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I personally do not believe in Intelligent Design, I do see how some find comfort in the idea of a creator figure. While there is scientific backing for evolution, I find stronger evidence for a new theory that will revolutionize the idea of "Origin" forever. I call it "Dumbass Design". The tennents of Dumbass Design are simple and very well understood. They'd have to be ofcourse because unfortunatly most people are themselves Dumbasses. Morons and douchebags are unfortunatly the majority of the population, we can see too prime examples in this thread. Namely Frank and Paulpierce34. Note the poor sentence structure and lack of any contributing information. This is mostly seen in the subspecies Homo Dipshitus Fucktaruds (or HMF for the rest of this rant). HMF are characterized by short replies full of bad information, unchecked facts, and ofcourse just saying some fucking stupid ass shit. HMF's also have very little commonsense and very slow learners. This is supported by the fact that they don't learn from their previous mistakes or from previous displays of stupidity. No students, I'm afraid these goddamn motherfucking douchebags are thicker then your momma's ass. They continue to drone on and on about stupid shit under the false guise of actually contributing to intelligent conversation. Unfortunatly this brand of lesser human is beyond any help whatsoever. The good news is that they eventually die out from lack of attention.

"But Professor Defcon" you may ask "What does this have to do with Dumbass Design?". Well, it's like this really, if Darwin's theory of evolution is correct then why are there so many HDF's around? They are obviously not the fittest, so how is it that they survive? Clearly this proves that there must be a creator out there. This creator obviously has good intentions but on occasion makes horrific mistakes. Clearly this creator is fallable and capable of screwing up as much as the rest of us. The only concerning issues is the SCALE to which s/he screws up. How does evolution support the Macintosh computer, for example. Obviously such a terrible machine triumphed by Steve Jobs, who btw is clearly just a money grubbing douchebag, should not have survived. Ofcourse HDFs are drawn to Macintoshes like flies to shit, but clearly the creator screwed up big time. The same goes for the shitty ass band from Dublin known as U2. It's clear that these guys do indeed suck ass. If it wasn't for their legions of dumbass dryhumping diaperwearing fans they would have died out years ago. The creator was obviously trying to create some kind of tone deaf treeslug when he created Bono and his league of fucktard fans. One could also point out New Coke and George Bush as examples of Dumbass Design as well.

Now I don't want this lecture to become a debate, since obviously you dumb motherfuckers are going to drone on about how U2 rules or that I am an asshole. I'd like to point out that unfortunatly that's not debating, that's instead acting like a five year old. Debates really don't solve anything and no one usually comes away with a different prespective. Nope Frank and Paul, you both are dipshits and aren't going to learn a thing from this lecture. When this topic is closed (and it probably soon will be once you stupid motherfuckers start the "typed diarrhea", grow up losers) for the love of the Flying Spagetti Monster don't start another goddamn thread. It's very annoying and is not going to earn you any respect around here.

In closing the very fact that you newbish retards are here proves without a shadow of a doubt that there IS a creator and he indeed FUCKED UP BIG TIME.

Class dismissed, Bitches
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#5798 - 01/11/06 08:29 PM Re: discourse 2
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wow, ur not very intelligent. I wont talk about Bono b/c thats not what this thread is about. I do not see any issue with short responses ... just b/c i have other things to be working on, say a math test i have to take tomorrow, i try to give the shortest, most to the point answers possible.

also, this is a skill learned in debate, where you get to the point, dont ramble on, and dont act like a fucking hypocritcal elitist bastard

you are really the one that has added nothing to this forum. Some of us were actually intereseted in discussing this topic, but instead you turn around and decide to lash out at people, just b/c they want to discuss an idea, an idea of which 66% of americans believe in today. I personally do not know if I believe in any parts of Intelligent Design or not, but I do, however, believe in evolution (no one has been able to disprove it even once, while they have recreated the creation of the first RNA 4+ billion years ago). Because of the large number of people who believe in ID, I felt it would be an intersting topic to discuss

Many people in my debate class and around the country, are arguing that we should teach ID in order to teach to a classroom the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. the theory being evolution, the hypothesis being ID. the difference is that a theory is falsifiable, meanning it can be tested for wrongness. ON the other hand, ID is just a statement, no way to prove or disprove it, and is therefore not science nor is it a theory.

That is what I was hoping for. I do not see the relevance of your rant, although you are entitled to it. As many people have said before, if you have something to say, but its a personal attack that really has nothing to do with the topic being discussed, EITHER SHUT THE FUCK UP OR POST IT SOMEHWERE ELSE OR EMAIL ME

so yeah, class is over, u fucking elitist dipshit

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