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#17148 - 11/12/03 10:29 PM New to programming.
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1 Mad Hatter Junior Member
Mad Hatter Junior Member Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1 In the inner bowls of hell	hey, Im new (im sorry, you guys must of heard that phrase way too much..) anyhoo, i want to gain as much knowledge as i can to becomming a white hat. and its to my understanding that the key to achieving this goal, is to read, read, and read about tcp/ip, different OS, security, and most importantly is to learn as much as i can about the C/C++ programming language. if im not mistaken, this is the first step to achieving my goal.. If its not too much trouble, i would most appreciate any type of link to the most understandible guide to learning C++. i tried to go to the "learn C++ in 28 days" site, but i get an error. i tried other links but after an hour or so i felt so helpless, i just wanted to crawl into the fetal position and suck my thumb.. to me, programming is VERY new, yet i want to learn and get to be able to fully understand C++.. if anyone could help me or give me a resource to the most understanable tutorial, i would be most appreciative. <img border="0" alt="[dunno]" title="" src="graemlins/dunno.gif" /> 40 Oz. to freedom is the only chance i have to feel good even though i feel bad... --Sublime--

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#17149 - 11/13/03 05:46 AM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,136 pergesu UGN Elite Poster
pergesu UGN Elite Poster Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,136 Pimpin the Colorizzle	Dude, soooo many people have asked this same question. Look through the forums here or in the Newbie section. You'll find it. Some starting points: http://www.undergroundnews.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000036 http://www.undergroundnews.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000019 http://www.undergroundnews.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000018 http://www.undergroundnews.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000032 Looking for great places to eat in Grand Junction?

#17150 - 11/13/03 10:25 AM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,198 Gremelin Community Owner
Gremelin Community Owner Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,198 Likes: 11 Portland, OR; USA	Learn to study with Rave music playing in the background, extremely loud... Now, on to books... Get yourself a few TCP/IP books, also some linux/bsd/windows/mac books... By mac I mean MAC OS X and Mac OS 9; their both differant, OSX is closer to the BSD linux system. I sugguest getting into web design, it opens an insight on computers and differant setups that one normally wouldn't have... If you are going to go for creating programs, I sugguest either C and C++ or ASM. Donate to UGN Security here. UGN Security, Back of the Web, and VNC Web Services Owner

#17151 - 11/13/03 06:56 PM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 zenon Junior Member
zenon Junior Member Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 Sweden	yep... good old assembly. if you are going into the field of game programming for nintendo 8-bit systems. Then some good old asm or C would be the call... - "It's not my code that's useless it's you loosers being unable to apprecitate it because of your lack of skills!" /zenon - C++ master Apprentice

#17152 - 11/15/03 04:37 AM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 37 masterh4x0r89 Junior Member
masterh4x0r89 Junior Member Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 37 patchouge n.y. 11772	go to the book store and buy a book like me and learn it Kill or be killed

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#17153 - 11/17/03 04:27 PM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 zenon Junior Member
zenon Junior Member Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 Sweden	hint People often tend to think it's easier to learn C++ with large books that contain a lot of "hands-on" examples. This may go for you also, I don't know. One thing for sure, if you REALLY want to learn C++ do NOT under any circumstances buy a book with the following title: (-) Learn C++ in [4-25] hours (-) C++ for [dummies/idiots/suckers] (-) Easy C++ in [rand()%25+4] hours Get yourself a real book, those that tend to top the list are books of the type: (+) The complete C++ reference (+) C++ [bible/coran/"whatever religious book"] (+) C++ Introduction (written by some University lector) Hope that helps, you don't want to spend $60 on a book and then realizing it sucks... - "It's not my code that's useless it's you loosers being unable to apprecitate it because of your lack of skills!" /zenon - C++ master Apprentice

#17154 - 11/19/03 06:41 PM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 240 paradox Member
paradox Member Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 240 New Zealand	how about not get a book at all and use tutorials ..but in the end it all comes down to you.. Everyone has a choice to make there is no right or wrong language they are all capable of doing the same thing but just different ways of going about it.. in the end you have to do the hard yards and make a choice based on what you found out about the language u choose.. and what os and distro or what not you want, its just like shopping u check ur options then make a decision based on your analysis The wise make mistakes, the fools repeat them ---------------------------------------- When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth

#17155 - 11/23/03 02:24 AM Re: New to programming.
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SilentRage DollarDNS Owner Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,273 OH, USA	how bout no books or tutorials and just get example code and a reference manual online. But I only say that to point out that whether you use books, tutorials, or references, it doesn't matter how you learn. Just do it. Domain Registration, Hosting, Management http://www.dollardns.net

#17156 - 11/25/03 05:10 PM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 zenon Junior Member
zenon Junior Member Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 93 Sweden	or how about no example code or reference manual at all... you could learn just having a list of all possible functions and descriptors, and a short description of the common syntax layout. =P - "It's not my code that's useless it's you loosers being unable to apprecitate it because of your lack of skills!" /zenon - C++ master Apprentice

#17157 - 11/25/03 07:34 PM Re: New to programming.
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 616 weeve UGN Super Poster
weeve UGN Super Poster Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 616 The Beach	How does one that is not a machine, learn machine language? Become a machine? You can't talk to one, in voice...yet;P Fotran/C/ASM/VB/C++/Java/Html, All flawed human tries at a mutual language between us, and computers. Because face it, most humans don't want to bug check binary, or learn binary for that matter. Binary is the closet thing to machine language we have living today. But as to this question. One should get source, in many ways. Read it, and compare it to things you do understand. After a time aloted to your mind alone, you will get a light bulb, and start toward the path of being able to say. I am self taught in " ". Meh, being self taught is nice, but anything not binary, as in a 1 to a 0 or a 0 to 1, is lonely. A dual perspective, or share is nice. Hence why as a binary lifeform, we seek something we all feel, yet don't know. After you learn enough, share it, free source, give, and take in parts. But the ethical choice is not to use without a thank you or asking. Learning from others, and teaching them with your mind is something that we can choose. Just like the choice of good or bad. We have few real choices in this realm, imo. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!"