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#3014 - 09/18/02 08:53 PM War in Iraq?
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So who thinks we should invade iraq and take control of the whole middle east (or not)? they do have lots of oil. who wants to attack but is scared of repocussions such as them sending some chemical wepeons in responce. Who wants to atack and hopes they strike back?
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#3015 - 09/18/02 10:11 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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How the hell would they strike back? They have no missle launchers. They have no money. All they have is oil and sand. Oooh ... frightening.


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#3016 - 09/18/02 10:13 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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The UN wouldn't be down with that idea, no matter how crazy Bush the sequel is ... they wouldn't send checmical weapons over either. They would send some dumb-ass suicidal dude with a suit-case-bomb over here and blow maybe 15-30 people up.
Ever since we've been buying our oil from Canada and Russia we rely on the middle east less and less. I think we buy only 33% of our oil from them now.
The more I think about it the more it makes sense to invade, but that's probably wrong on a couple levels.


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#3017 - 09/18/02 10:20 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Oil can buy lot's of chemical weapons, and you should never underestimate, the power of stupid people in large numbers. There is no way to know what they will do if USA will invade Iraq.

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#3018 - 09/19/02 12:49 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Oh shutup. "Let's solve the world problems by creating more war!"

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#3019 - 09/19/02 02:00 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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I say lets quit playing

declare the truth

Our policy is to ensure the jew nation is safe

pull all troops out and state, attack us again and we will kick ass.

Send mass amounts of security and weapons to Isriale. If they fall after that... It wasn't meant to be. (Plus that means we aren't near the end according to the bible. )

Tell all the countries in Europe bitching, to pay the world war II debt back they owe us. Or debuct it from what we owe them.

Tell Canada to go ahead and leagalise weed like they tryed to do a couple months ago and go into isolationism again. Let the world problems be thier own. Everyone wants to bitch about the big bad U.S....

Fine pull all resources out of everywhere. Let them see just how bad we realy were. As for Sadam ..... Torture his ass for what he did to his own sons...

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#3020 - 09/19/02 04:20 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Actually Iraq does have missles, so does afganastan, back when the US was aideing them all. We gave them missiles which they presently use on our alli's in the middle east. Its quite ironic that we choose sides then discover we're on the wrong one then our ali's get hit with bombs with our flag on them though...

And they are neuculear and bi-chemical capable, they have been for a while, thats the whole issue with war, because they refuse the documents signed by the UN about the destruction of said weapons.


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#3021 - 09/19/02 05:47 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Iraq has been using chemical weapons against the kurds for years. The have some of the most advanced chemical weapons you've ever seen, not to mention the fact that we think they have nukes we just cant prove it yet.

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#3022 - 09/19/02 12:26 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Now that they do allow the un people again, no war on iraq, but Bush did already pick another country, Jemen "Or whatever it's written in english"...

tsss, let the war on terrorism go on...


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#3023 - 09/19/02 12:50 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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OH, USA
/me snickers at what Learner said

heh heh, I see you're a bit more informed than many too. According to the Bible, God will keep his promise to Abraham and the jews shall always have a nation.

Isreal kicks arabic ass man. It's not just our aid that's keeping them afloat. They've got one hella well trained army. I did a bit of historical research and this is what I've found:

"On May 15 [1948] the armies of Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq joined Palestinian and other Arab guerrillas who had been fighting Jewish forces since November 1947. The war now became an international conflict, the first Arab-Israeli War."

http://www.palestinehistory.com/wartext.htm

Did ya catch that? 6 Arab nations all attacked Israel the moment it was founded. And Israel beat their asses.

Another interesting thing I found out... It was the BRITISH the originally marched into palestine and began the proceedings to make Israel a seperate state.

Seems the US isn't alone in "policing" the world.

Another historical source
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7374/isreal-jewish/ISREALI-ARAB_CONFLICT.HT ML


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#3024 - 09/19/02 04:53 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Well, I say let us stick with the military saying, "KILL EM ALL, LET GOD SORT EM OUT!" :+) ya Isreal is pretty bad ass.


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#3025 - 09/19/02 05:51 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Heh... Do research on the sunken USS Liberty...

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#3026 - 09/19/02 05:59 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Isreal's got power, your right. Thats why were alies with them. and SR, in policing the world, were the by far the most involved.
So some say that bush wants to invade so he can steal oil, anyone think this is true? personaly i have a fealing it is, not nececarily a bad thing though

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#3027 - 09/19/02 06:53 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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Some other quick Israel facts:

Independence wasn't only time Israel was atacked by all it's neighbors. Check up 6 Day Way and Yom Kippur War.

Also, the arabs did have a chance to create a palestinian nation when israel was created. They declined, thinking they could destroy Israel and have the whole area.


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#3028 - 09/19/02 07:57 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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I agree with ohfuk, and IMO oil is probably what Bush is after. BTW, here is a good representation of that ideea

http://www.collideous.com/archives/00000137.php3

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#3029 - 09/19/02 09:07 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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i don't want a war, and i do not believe one is currently necessary, but i do find it suspicious that iraq won't let weapons inspectors in. i believe they have agreed to let some weapons inspectors from other countries come in, thus i would lay back for the moment and make a decision based on the outcome of that.


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#3030 - 09/19/02 10:32 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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SR, you're right, the British were the ones that ultimately started this. They promised both the Jews and Arabs land in Palestine to fight on their side. When the war ended, they couldn't deliver, so they just split it up. This is what caused the latest of fights. (There had been more before). The US then got involved later on. But before WWI, it was the British who tryed to control the world and did the exact same thing the US are doing right now.


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#3031 - 09/19/02 11:41 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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ohfuk: "and SR, in policing the world, were the by far the most involved."

Your point? You think I don't know this? /me looks around. anybody living under a rock here? I think as the most powerful country in the world, that there is some responsibility in pressuring countries like Iraq to let weapon inspectors in - and to help prevent one nation from smacking another one off the face of the earth. So sue us if we're human and things get carried too far. So what if there are some bad motives mixed along with the good. Shove the fuck off people. We're not Jesus fucking Christ our Lord Savior.

If it wasn't us, it'd be somebody else. You should be counting your blessings we're not conquering the world.


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#3032 - 09/19/02 11:57 PM Re: War in Iraq?
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oh sorry SR, i forgot that you arnt as fucking stupid as the rest of the god damn world, there was a chance that you thought that this was a world effort when it isnt at all. and as the self declared most powerful nation on earth, i agree with you, if we dont act like cops, then the middle east might end up hating each other as much as they hate us and blow this planet into many different planets. so yes, we should be cops and if we have to pull out the beating sticks to get our point across then so be it.

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#3033 - 09/20/02 12:13 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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I'd like to know where ohfuk gets his political information...and how old are ya there bud?

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#3034 - 09/20/02 12:38 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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eh, good point. if i ever say anything that makes little to no sence tell me and ill stfu

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#3035 - 09/20/02 12:46 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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#3036 - 09/20/02 02:39 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Take it easy on ole ohfuk... I'm not one to usally stand up for peeps, but he is new to the board involved in a political debate. Hell of a way to start. Cut him some slack.

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/me snickers at what Learner said
Yea SR the Israelie army is no joke. They use women as snipers because thier breathing is better than most men. Pretty hardcore. However there was no Israel till after WWII.

This is all my interperutation here...

See all the white people felt bad for all the dead jews. So they said hey, lets give them something. Alright all you arab people get off this land. This belongs to the Jews. Yea yea yea, your holy land. Nah it's thiers now.

See people tend to get the ass when you boot them off thier land. But boot them off thier holy land... I guess they figured it worked with american indians... Anyway

There never was an Israel befor WWII. Well there was but many centuries ago. Now add to that white boys keep going over there to "keep the peace".

People these people have fought for generations. This is what they do.

Check it out, Many U.S. Generals after any major war get depressed. Why? Because that is how they feel useful. Now imagine many nations with this mentality. Don't belive me? Rent the Movie Patton. Read up on any WWII General. Few went on to polotics. Many died soon after the war.

BinLaden knows war. That is it. He has learned studyed and planed war all of his adult life. Same with many of his followers.

He might even think he wants peace. But he will allwas find conflict.

Sadam Husien is a sick twisted fuck.

He used to torture his kids. Starve them, force them to watch torture movies. Force them to beat prisoners to death. They grew up to be well rounded people right? They are generals in his army.

Sadam was train by the U.S. Aint that a kick in the pants. Stingers are manufactured by the U.S. arms companies. Iraq has plenty of them. The fact of the matter is... We made a mess over there. It is time to clean it up.

Life isn't allways fair to everyone. Sadam's kids need to die so they do not come into power. Sadam needs to Die at the hands of his own people. (Or it needs to look that way)

These are the nasty details that happen that keep you safe at your home with mommy and daddy. There are ugly things in the world that our government must do to stay on top. Now do you want to stay on top? Or do you want to be a bleeding heart liberal and go to Iraq and tell them how much you understand?

Fuck them! If you don't like it... Don't watch the news. That is the way of the world. Our nation is on top in power and strength. To not kick ass after 9/11 weakens that power and strength.

Think of the world and it's leaders like the kids on the playground. Let the bully beat you up what happens? It spreads till no one respects you. Childish? Yup, but that is how it works. Read up on Regan and how many countries fucked with him and what happened to them. Read up on the terrorist prisoners held captive till the day he was elected.

Power and firmness speeks volumes about how the worl treats your nation.

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#3037 - 10/10/02 08:30 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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It is real simple:
Have one Trident SSBN launch one missile with five or six warheads.
Everyone knows if you heat sand up you will get glass.
So after the Nukes turn Iraq into a glass parking lot we can go over,
make a nice cut into the glass put oil rig with a seal around it and start pumping.
If we have a spill the oil will run onto the glass where it can be cleaned up and save the environment.
Now everybody will be happy:
Bush – Saddam is gone.
Bush – all his buddy’s get more oil.
Environmentalist – if there is an oil spill it will not sink into the ground water.
Me – cheaper gas.
Navy – they get to op-check the sub and missile launch system.

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#3038 - 10/10/02 08:45 AM Re: War in Iraq?
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Le4rner - FYI you can blame England for most of it, below is a little reading on how it started and why it is still going on:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/mideast/history/index.html

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