#22863 - 01/13/03 07:32 PM
Aliens; Do they exist?
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Think for a moment of the universe, outer space in general if you will. Compaire Earth to all the thousands upon thousands of plannets that there are in existance... Now, one would think that if there is a million plannets, it'd be quite obvious that a few could sustain some type of life. What do you think? How do you feel about this? Are you really that close minded to think that we're in essance alone on this one of millions of plannets? Also, for note, those who would like to "search" for aliens, SETI has a program much like Distributed, only catch is that there is no fancy reward, just the satisfaction of knowing that you've actually accomplished something worth doing. UGN has a SETI team to which you can browse and even join here . Our team is only a few months old, but I hope that it'll grow. SETI Broke Down: your SETI client downloads a packet from the SETI servers, it processes the information and levels peaks then uploads the result to the server. A processed packet takes between 5-15 hours depending on your computer. SETI has a lot of addons, which monitor the data that you send, such as SETISpy and SETIQueue. SETISpy monitors the packets and gives you a skymap and a resource listing. SETIQueue monitors packets, makes a sky map, and queue's SETI packets so that you don't have to be online when your packets finnish. I hope to see more people joining in, who knows, perhaps we'll find something, or someone...
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#22864 - 01/13/03 08:34 PM
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I used to think that there was life on other planets, somewhere. I mean, with the billions of celestial bodies, how could there not be? After studying probabilities and statistics though, I'm not so sure. I don't know, maybe there's something that we might be able to consider life, but I highly doubt it. We really consider life to be anything organic that metabolizes, and the probability of life developing is almost impossibly remote. If someone wants to point out that we have found organisms that are sulfur based rather than carbon based, I acknowledge that. However again, the probability of anything developing anywhere else is, in my opinion, next to impossible. Maybe there's something out there, something sentient, that we're at this point unable to comprehend. That might be possible, but I utterly doubt the existence of life as we know it, other than in our solar system.
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#22865 - 01/13/03 10:49 PM
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undoubtably, if there is life on this planet, then it is given that life is possible. also undenably is that there has not always be life on this planet. leaving two conclusions, 1-life was formed through through the right chemical reactions under the right conditions, or 2-life was brought here from another source. now if the answer is 2, and life was brought to this planet, then there must have at least at one point been life somewhere else in the universe. if the answer is 1, then under the right conditions, life can be created. now with an almost infinate amount of chances, with ideal conditions for life to be created, life must exist elsewhere
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#22866 - 01/13/03 10:53 PM
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i belive.....the truth is out there - fox mulder but then again there might be nothing past the milkey way, i mean if someone tells you theres millions of planets out there, u take there word for it.but if someone tells you theres wet paint u have to check it P.S. giz, you spelt planets wrong
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#22867 - 01/13/03 11:43 PM
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In regards to life being created under the right conditions, those right conditions are, as with every other aspect of this issue, statistically almost impossible to replicate. I don't say impossible, but almost impossible, because it's obviously possible. The chances of it happening though are so remote that we can pretty much call it impossible. Imagine you're on the roof of a house and you drop a deck of cards off. What's the probability that they'll all fall face up? 1/(2.2x10^16). Not too good, pretty much impossible. What's the probability you'll pick them up in the correct order, assuming completely random selection? 1/(2.4x10^68). That is, for all intents and purposes, impossible. You can spend the rest of your life, the next thousand years, dropping cards off your roof and you'll never, ever pick them up in the right order if you pick them up randomly. And that's for something as simple as a deck of cards. The conditions for life to be created must be absolutely perfect. Statistically, we're a fluke.
I think that also brings up the interesting point of creationism. I don't claim to know how anything began, but I use some logic and realize that realistically, life could not be created from nothing. Not spontaneously, anyway. For something as complex and precise as life to be created would, in my opinion, require an outside force to intervene in some way.
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#22876 - 01/14/03 08:23 PM
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I'm pretty sure the human mind cant comprehend the concept of "nothingness" thats like asking where you go when you die. if there is nothing there then you cant remember old times, or miss anyone, or anything like that because you have no conscience (cant remember how to spell that). If there is nothing beyond our galaxy, then how is that possible? It just doesnt seem acceptable that there could be a "wall" or just having everything end. but, in a way, i guess its possible. we are extremely dumb as a race, and we know almost nothing about our surroudings, or what we are. we know we can get to some big rocks that float near us, and thats about it. and we know we cant survive on them. the rest is just guessing. making up statistics that seem true to us, but those statistacs could mean something completely different somewhere else. heh, it seems to me like this is all a big joke thats being played on us. we're just here for amusement. we can sit around and be confused, and then go back to work, like something you might see in an ant farm. they get to one of the walls, look around a bit confused, then get back to work moving sand. personally i dont really beleive in a higher power, but when i think about it anythings possible.
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#22877 - 01/15/03 07:44 PM
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Lets think this way, we already know there are "alot" of stars, that also and problably suns for several other planets in their area. We can't see everything out there or far. But if you think about the Big Bang(if it ever existed), when the Big Bang banged=) all the rocks and [censored] flew away and spread(everything is still spreading) out in the universe all rocks probably didn't get that much differense in their speeds. That we can se in our solar system with the planets we got beside us. So theirs alot of rocks out there too and why should only our EXTREMLY(I can't put that extremly word sound enough) litle mass of the whole [censored] Big Bang happends to end up by one of the stars? That's totally insane if it where that way, we are just a molekyle of the Big Bang. I'm sure theres rocks and planets out there that is on a good distance to a star that it could develop life adapted to that planet. You think that there's damn many stars but just think about the planets beside em. Species can be different according to the klimat etc. (gotta admit I like this subject  ) I apologise for my slappy english and my bad way to express my self.
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#22882 - 01/16/03 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by AlienTerror: They can se like other galaxies as an cetimeter in their telescopes and cannot get a closer look, who are they to play god and come with an conclusion that the chanses are minimal? No, who are YOU and what do YOU know to criticize what scientists have discovered? We don't HAVE to go to the sun and scoop up a back of gases to figure out how it manages to stay lighted. We don't HAVE to go to jupitor ourselves and try to step on the planet to know that it is primarily a big ball of gases. Just like we don't have to walk around on every planet in the galaxy to know that the chances of there being life is extremely slim. You're not the only one to criticize scientific study in this topic. If you study up on the subject, and would like to disprove theories - be my guest, but until then, even if scientists don't know [censored], you know even less so sthu.
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#22885 - 01/16/03 08:06 PM
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Ok Silent it wasn't supposed to sound like that. What I was trying to say is well for an example we can take the atom. No one has ever seen an atom but the came up with the figure of the atom and how it works by calculate and do test and then they've got a model that was maybe not entirely correct(don't know really) but it matched their tests etc. That's what i mean, our knowledge about space is still small and i think that we are just in the beginning of our space exploration. And that about playing Gods was just a joke wich i barely explaind here: I think, anyway i just had to say that about play god ) I expressed myself bad there, my apologise.
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#22886 - 01/16/03 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by AlienTerror:
That's what i mean, our knowledge about space is still small and i think that we are just in the beginning of our space exploration.
AT, i really don't agree with you coz neither you neither me can know how FAR have scientists gone with experiments and tests about the space ? I'm sure that most of these results are kept secret untill they're 100% sure they're correct. You guys heard that the chinnese are trying to build a CITY in MARS ??? That's just my personal opinion. btw, anyone seen the movie "SENDER" or "THE SENDER" i don't know how its called exactly but i know that MICHAEL MADDSEN is one of the head actors. That's a pretty good movie about aliens.
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Okay WTF?
by HenryMiring on 09/27/17 08:45 AM
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