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#7738 - 10/21/02 03:07 AM What is the best programming language to learn first?
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What is the best programming language to learn first? If someone can recommend one what would be the next step and why in that order? [?]

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#7739 - 10/21/02 04:04 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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It all depends on what you'd like to do, the highest demand would be to go with PHP then Perl since you'd have a large amount of internet programming done and webmasters make mad bank.

If you'd like to go the standard programing way go with C++ then VB so you have linux/windows programming under your belt.

Myself I'd tell you to go with PHP then Perl then C++ then VB.


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#7740 - 10/21/02 04:28 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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I like PHP when i messed w/ it. If your goal is for web designing.. its great. I tried programming and i didnt like it near as much and i dont think it was as fun. before hitting php... learn html and css so you dont over kill your brain at once.


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#7741 - 10/21/02 06:22 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Fuck that, learn PHP hehe...


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#7742 - 10/21/02 04:42 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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YEAH! I THINK THAT THE FIRST PROGRAMMING LAN.. YOU SHOULD LEARN IS JAVA AND THEN C++. ONCE YOU HAVE LEARNED THOSE TWO; EVERYTHING ELSE IS SMOOTH SAILING ON THE OCEAN.


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#7743 - 10/21/02 05:27 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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#7744 - 10/21/02 05:55 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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jaytwiller, post all in caps again and you will be kicked from the site.

Do you realise how hard it is to find a good php programmer? and to top that a good perl programmer? Its such a rarity hence why I sugguested them, everyone i've talked to loves php but they have trouble finding help on it because no one wants to take the time to learn it...


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#7745 - 10/21/02 07:32 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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i would start with visual basic and html(if you consider that a programing lanuage). they're easy and and rewarding in my opinion.


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#7746 - 10/21/02 07:41 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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yeah i'm about to start with PHP myself too, than Perl. I like PHP a lot really and i'd appreciate really if you could get me links to some good php tutorials or something to start from.

heh Gizmo it is hard to find a good php programmer really but not a perl one too, for that i already know one.. SilentRage

btw: this guy jaytwiller is really annoyin and looks like he doesn't wanna listen huh.

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#7747 - 10/21/02 07:50 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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i don't think jaytwiller has seen anyone tell him not to post in caps, all his posts were before that i believe. i think black^pimp's got the hots for SR, sicko..


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#7748 - 10/21/02 10:12 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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DO NOT post another reply and use all capital(upper case) letters or else your account will be suspended.

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#7749 - 10/21/02 10:54 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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First language I learnd was visual basic....
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#7750 - 10/21/02 11:34 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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first thing i learned was html, and I haven't found anything as enjoyable as webdesign.


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#7751 - 10/22/02 03:18 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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VB is the way to go. It's simple enough to use so that anyone can pick it up without having done a lot of programming before, but it gives you enough to work with so that you can make some pretty cool programs. There's also TONS of information about it.


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#7752 - 10/22/02 05:45 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gizmo:
jaytwiller, post all in caps again and you will be kicked from the site.

Do you realise how hard it is to find a good php programmer? and to top that a good perl programmer? Its such a rarity hence why I sugguested them, everyone i've talked to loves php but they have trouble finding help on it because no one wants to take the time to learn it...
Realy? hmmmmm

Hey man I agree with Skull, Start with an easy to learn language first. Assembler. *snikers*

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#7753 - 10/22/02 06:14 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Quote:
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jaytwiller
DO NOT post another reply and use all capital(upper case) letters or else your account will be suspended.
finally !!!

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first thing i learned was html, and I haven't found anything as enjoyable as webdesign.
you're hell right Moff, there's nuttin more enjoable as webdesign, i like designing grahpics a lot, especially banners !!!

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#7754 - 10/22/02 10:51 AM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Well here goes a different perspective for you from the computer science world. Learn 2 languages at the same time, but for totally different reasons.

1. Learn shell scripting. Preferably sh or bash. Avoid csh or tcsh, these shells are made for interactive use. I have 2 reasons for suggesting this (everything comes in 2's in the computer world):

a. Everything in Unix is a file. Modems, directories, video, sound cards, input, output, error streams, etc. Once you learn and understand this, and how to access these at a low level, Unix becomes easier. While doing this you will learn the difference between good and bad operating system design.

b. No matter how glossy a frontend they put on Unix (i.e. K Desktop, Gnome, etc.) the nuts and bolts are on the command line. You learn how to use things like vi, sort, cut, test, nslookup, dig, whois, grep, sed, awk, sendmail, telnet, ftp, kermit, x,y, and zmodem, etc. while learning how to tie these commands together into scripts. Because so few people today in the Windows world have this skill today you quickly earn respect for this knowledge. It is also easier to start in the Unix world and move to the Windows world than vice versa. Most people in the Windows world never escape it, and because of it have a harder time understanding things outside of Windows. Could you imagine being an email administrator and not understanding how smtp works, or how to setup a DHCP server but not have a clue about DNS? That is the norm in most IT departments.

To do this you don't need a personal Unix machine. Instead, find a free shell account. The object is not to learn how to install Unix, but what you can really do at the command prompt. Once you have explored and become proficient in this area installing, and understanding the install (i.e. what /dev/hda is) becomes a no-brainer.

2. For your second programming language start with Perl. I again have 2 reasons why I chose Perl:

a. The Perl syntax is very similar to php, c/c++, and tcl. Once you learn the basic syntax the real objective to programming (which I'll discuss in section b) becomes much clearer. I recommend you run your 1st Perl on a Windows system, because the help system is far superior than having to dig around on the web looking for answers, and the best modules are already installed on the Windows version. The object is to learn Perl, not how to install it. Get your copy from http://www.activestate.com

Avoid doing any Perl/WWW programming, just learn Perl. The reason I recommended Perl is bacause you don't need to spend your time configuring a web server, learning how to compile or run an application (make is a job in itself), etc. You can begin programming your 1st day.

b. The real objective to programming is not learning a certain language, but how to program. You want to learn the algorithms that are available (i.e. looping, recursion, pass by value, OOD, sorting, trees, lists, etc.) Once you learn these then any language you chose becomes one of learning the syntax and what the particular language's strengths and weaknesses are. I would never parse a text file in C, because this is Perl's and Cobol's strengths. If I want a quick dynamic web page I'd look at PHP or Perl. If I needed a very fast sorting algorithm I'd lean toward C++ with its builtin standard library.

I don't claim to be an expert in any language, it is not my job to program. But I can and have written many large programs in different languages by looking at a book for the syntax. These include Cobol, Fortran, C/C++, VB (including VBScript and ASP), Perl, PHP, Tcl/Tk/Expect, Rebol, and probably others I have forgotten. Ask me the syntax of most of those languages and I will stare at you with a glazed look in my eyes, because I only recall them when I really need them.

If you decide in the future to make programming your career then chose a language you really enjoy, find a job using it, and tear it apart until you know every aspect of it.

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#7755 - 10/22/02 06:45 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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First thing I learned was html too. By the way am I the ONLY 13 year old in here!

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#7756 - 10/22/02 07:09 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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#7757 - 10/22/02 07:30 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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i bet she doesn't know HTML either, she's just saying so huh !!!

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#7758 - 10/22/02 08:06 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Wow, DaMaris is a 13 year old who is in a gang, wants to hack, knows HTML, but cannot give her cell phone number to sin so he can add minutes to her account, because her daddy will get angry...

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oh thanks unreal !!


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#7762 - 10/23/02 08:01 PM Re: What is the best programming language to learn first?
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Curse u are right my dad is a very cruel person and as weird as my life may sound that is the way it is. By the way. Howcome when i always interfere in a topic or create a new one its gets closed i mean what i say is real!

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